Has anyone got some actual velocities of 320gr woodleighs in a 9.3x64?
Does anyone know of any links with loads?
George

I like the bullet in the old 9.3x62 that I had with its 26 inch barrel and I got pretty close to 2350 FPS and shot several buffalo with it and it did for them about like my 375 with 300 gr bullets....My present 9.3x62 with a 20 inch barrel gets about 2300 FPS and I have not shot any game with it, but it should do fine..I could get a bit more than 2400 FPS in the 9.3x64.

The 9.3x64 I had was definately in the same class as the 375 with both 300 and 350 gr. bullets as far as I could tell..

I used RL-15 in the 9.3x62 and I don't recall what loads I used in the 9.3x64.

Pierre van der Walts book, African Dangerous Game Cartridges has pages of loading data on both cartridges

Today with the new RL-17 I can get 2400 FPS with my 9.3x62s.

Thanks for the reply.
I'm hoping to get a bit over 2500f/s with these in the x64 but loading data is a bit scarce.
George

gk

Did I answer you on AHN ?

Anyway, yes, got 2500 fps when testing.

Always seemed to get pressure signs above this.

Also didn't find we needed any more, they
penetrated so well it wasn't funny as we
couldn't get many recoveries.

505G,
Sort of.
You mentioned that you successfully tested these in the x64, but you didn't state what velocity you used or any load data.

In our Norwegian "Bible" Ladeboka I've found the following data:

300 grs Swift A-frame - 73grs Norma N204 (2469fps)
- " - - 73grs Vitha N160 (2417fps)

Those are relatively mild loads. The A-frame is rather stiff, so I would believe you could use the same data with the 320 WG.

NB; my x64 gives 2600fps with the Woodleigh 286RN loaded with 68grs Vitha N150.

M

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Originally posted by metric:


NB; my x64 gives 2600fps with the Woodleigh 286RN loaded with 68grs Vitha N150.

M

What is your barrel length in inches?

I agree, those quoted loads for the 300gr AF do look rather mild as they can be nearly duplicated in a 9.3 X 62.

Bob

www.bigbores.ca

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Originally posted by .458 Only:

quote:

Originally posted by metric:


NB; my x64 gives 2600fps with the Woodleigh 286RN loaded with 68grs Vitha N150.

M

What is your barrel length in inches?

I agree, those quoted loads for the 300gr AF do look rather mild as they can be nearly duplicated in a 9.3 X 62.

Bob

www.bigbores.ca

My barrel is 24 inches (61cm)

M

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Metric,
I have found that the 9.3x62 is normally loaded to very low pressures, I suppose because of some older rifles out there, same with the 7x57. The reloading manuals are scared to death of frivolous lawsuits, and hold pressures to the 40,000 PSI or there abouts..

In a good modern Mauser action, Win. mod 70 or Rem 700 the 9.3x62 can be loaded up to the same pressures as any other modern cartridge, say 55,000 PSI or actually up to 60,000 PSI..At any rate my reloads in my 9.3x62 will come within 100 FPS of the 9.3x64 give or take 50 FPS depending on the load, and at safe and reasonable pressures.

The 9.3x62 is an amazing cartridge, it can really crowd the .375 H&H factory loaded rounds. Of course a handloaded 375 H&H will outclass it, but in the field the difference is undetectable IMO.

quote:

Originally posted by Atkinson:
Metric,
I have found that the 9.3x62 is normally loaded to very low pressures, I suppose because of some older rifles out there, same with the 7x57. The reloading manuals are scared to death of frivolous lawsuits, and hold pressures to the 40,000 PSI or there abouts..

In a good modern Mauser action, Win. mod 70 or Rem 700 the 9.3x62 can be loaded up to the same pressures as any other modern cartridge, say 55,000 PSI or actually up to 60,000 PSI..At any rate my reloads in my 9.3x62 will come within 100 FPS of the 9.3x64 give or take 50 FPS depending on the load, and at safe and reasonable pressures.

The 9.3x62 is an amazing cartridge, it can really crowd the .375 H&H factory loaded rounds. Of course a handloaded 375 H&H will outclass it, but in the field the difference is undetectable IMO.

Agree with you on that one.

In my old M98 9,3x62 I used a stiff load of N140 behind the Lapua Mega 286grs bullet. Reached 2500fps in the 24inch barrel. Went down to 2400fps again because of the relatively soft bullet.
In my Blaser R93 I tend to use lighter bullest(220-250grs) at higher speed. My favorites are a 220grs PBP(Norwegian all-copper design) and the Rhino 250grs RN. The 220grs PBP will reach 2700fps. Wonderfully effective on moose..

In my classic, custom old english style 9,3x64 I prefer a good 286grs like the Oryx, Woodleigh or Nosler P. At 2600fps they will get the job done..

I've noticed the American Ammo-producers "fear" of loading European cartridges to modern levels. The 6,5x55 , 7x57 , 7x64, 8x57(I)RS and the 9,3's are all kind of "under-loaded" according to European manufacturers and reloading guides.

M

I load my 9.3x62s to legal specs with 300 gr. and 320 gr. bullets because it's required by law in Zimbabwe for dangerous game. Its a lot easier to do with a 26 inch barrel btw..

The 286 gr. Nosler bullets is tough and penetrates very well. I shoot them at 2520 FPS in my 9.3x62. and makes them legal for DG.. I like the GS Custom, Nosler, Woodleigh and North fork bullets, they seem to work every time.

I have had excellent results with these same bullets in the 9.3x64 as well. I had no trouble getting 2600 FPS with a 286 gr. bullet in a 9.3x64. I got 2600 FPS with the 300 gr., and it was a stiff load. I backed off to 2550 FPS.

Try Vihtajvuori VN-160, IMR-4350 or IMR-4320, all will get you near 2600 FPS with 300 gr. bullets depending on barrel length. I used a 26" tube.

I will say that I'm not aware of any Zim official actually challanging anyone on that law, they don't seem to worry about such things or so it seems to me, but if one wounded and lost a buffalo or lion and it killed someone, they sure might getcha for it???

I have known a number of 9.3x62 users that shot their 9.3x62s at very moderated velocities,mostly using factory stuff, and got away with it, mostly locals. I also know that the old girl kills very well at moderated velocity and those old slow penetrating bullets.

Question:

I have a couple of 9,3s too, a CZ and a Blaser. However, I have stayed away from the 320 grain Woodleighs because I think the both have a 1:14 twist. How fast of a twist do you need to stabilize the 320 grain Woodleighs in a 9,3?

Dave,
I thought the CZ 550's in 9.3x62 used 1:10 twist barrels.
George

One of the many online twist calculators says the longest Woodliegh 320 will stabilize in a 16" twist so 14" should be more than enough.

All of the 9.3x62 and 64s I haver built and tested had Lothar Walthar 1x14 twists and they all shot 250 to 320 gr. bullets to perfection..Lothar Walthar can take some of the credit but I have never seen a 9.3 that would not shoot the Woodleigh 320 gr. solid or soft, and shoot them well. They will really cook with a 26" barrel. I have noticed the 9.3s for whatever reason really do respond to 300 and 320 gr. bullets in velocity. I'm pretty well settled on RL-15 as the only powder for the 9.3x62, with H414 a distant second for a varity of reasons.

Apologies for bringing up an old thread but l'm about to load up some 320gr woodleighs for my 9.3x64 and l'm still looking loading data for these.

From the limited data l can find for the x64, l was planning on starting with 65gr of AR2209 which is equivalent to H4350 and working up from there. I will be using Fed 215 primers.

Anyone else have any loads that use with the 320gr pills.

Thanks

George

320 gr. Woodleigh 69 grs of AA4350 2444 FPS
I have gone a couple of grs beyond that in my rifle for a max load..but always start at about 67 and work up...

Vhhtavuori VN-160 can probably get you up to 2500 FPS or more..start at 70 grs. and work up.

I like a 26 inch barrel for the 320 gr. Woodlieh bullets, that is where they work best as the additioanal velocity really helps, but a 24 work well enough also. In shorter barrel guns I would opt for a 300 gr. Swift A frame. and never underestimate the 286 gr. bullets, they made the 9.3 its fine reputation.

RL-17 is THE powder now for heavy bullets in the 9.3 X 62. The 286 NP will fly from my 22.4" T3 at an easy 2550+ fps!

Previously,I used RL-15... NOW it's RL-17 ONLY! (About the same burn rate as IMR 4350 but gives much better velocities). I expect it would do wonders for those 320 Woodlies as well. Reports are 2400+ fps from the X62.

Bob

www.bigbores.ca

Interesting load. I've sent you an email.

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Originally posted by .458 Only:
RL-17 is THE powder now for heavy bullets in the 9.3 X 62. The 286 NP will fly from my 22.4" T3 at an easy 2550+ fps!

Previously,I used RL-15... NOW it's RL-17 ONLY! (About the same burn rate as IMR 4350 but gives much better velocities). I expect it would do wonders for those 320 Woodlies as well. Reports are 2400+ fps from the X62.

Bob

www.bigbores.ca

This post sprung up before anyone tried the newer RL-17, and I recently posted a good deal on it in the 9.3x62 and 30-06..Its a wonder powder and all I will use from now on

For the 320 gr. Woodleih, the book recomendation is 59.5 grs. for 2353 FPS and I have gone beyond that with my guns..but start at 58 and work up a grain at a time or a half grain at a time, for your load work. I have had no trouble getting 2417 FPS in my 24 inch barrel, and could get more, but see no need for more velocity with a slug that big, and my pressures seem very mild.

Somebody on AR sent me the 9.3x62 load data on 5-29-13 and I copied it but the printer didn't get his email that was with it, however Dave Bush on 5-24-13 at 23:22 posted on North Fork bullets right below it suggesting the loads would be great with North Fork bullets.

Also Pierre van der Walts book, African Dangerous Game Cartridges has a cornocopia of 9.3x62, 9.3x64 loads in it..Its and awesome book published by Pathfinder Book Publishers. It does not however show RL-17 loads..Powder wasn't around when he wrote the book, but its got all the rest.

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Originally posted by gk1:
Apologies for bringing up an old thread but l'm about to load up some 320gr woodleighs for my 9.3x64 and l'm still looking loading data for these.

George

George

sorry, didn't see your posts.

Send me a PM with your email address and I will email you some load data if you still need it.

Also send me a tel number, I'll give you a call.

This post has been outdated by Alliants RL-17, that has changed the picture entirely as 458 mentioned in his above post..

I have posted extensive load data on a this forum in just the last week or so.