Experience is irrelevant? The nearly 400 animals this year are quite easy to prove.

when you start paying for MY guns/shells/hunts, your opinion MIGHT matter, until then I do not care how many animals you claim to have killed.

I have never experienced that type performance from Barnes bullets and YOU can not prove otherwise!

Now, I am not calling you a liar, are you calling me one?

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Originally posted by Dogleg:
CHC, I've killed animals numbering into the many hundreds with TSXs, well over 1000 total and and believe me the pattern is very clear. I went so far as to compare them directly on shoots where we were killing around 50 per day.

And a happy new year to you too. Even shitheads can have a happy new year.

Dogleg,

Please tell us what went wrong with the TSX bullets that you used. Does it refer to a current batch coming of the lines or from the word go? What makes the bullets fail - that they do not open up and if so at what impact velocity/distance and in what caliber?

Just curious to know.

Santa Claus

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Originally posted by Santa Claus:

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Originally posted by Dogleg:
CHC, I've killed animals numbering into the many hundreds with TSXs, well over 1000 total and and believe me the pattern is very clear. I went so far as to compare them directly on shoots where we were killing around 50 per day.

And a happy new year to you too. Even shitheads can have a happy new year.

Dogleg,

Please tell us what went wrong with the TSX bullets that you used. Does it refer to a current batch coming of the lines or from the word go? What makes the bullets fail - that they do not open up and if so at what impact velocity/distance and in what caliber?

Just curious to know.

Santa Claus

Most of my experience is with the TSX, much less with the newest TTSX.

Its not so much that they fail to work as designed, as that I'm not overly thrilled by what they do when they do work. When things go right them are still slow killers. They have certain strengths though; like if you want to shoot a moose with a 25-06 or shoot through anything lengthwise. They work better lengthwise than they do cross-ways. They are great on animals weighing 20 times as much as the OP's doe.

On lightly constructed animals (That's just about everything)its difficult to get a animal to drop at the shot when it isn't belted through the CNS or some major bone. With the high speed, softer bullets I prefer its rather easy and predictable that the same animal will get flattened with the same hit. Nothing is 100% of course.

I was more hopeful about the new TTSXs but the jury is still out. I hit a whitetail buck this year with a 80 grain TTSX launched at over 3900 fps at the barrel stretching range of 68 yards. Shot placement was almost exactly the same as the OPs doe except that I had a better angle so my exit was in tight behind the off shoulder. It made a mess almost exactly the same as his picture, but the deer ran. Bloodtrail was 8 feet wide on the snow so finding it was no big trick.

I have not had that type destruction with either the Barnes "X" or with the TSX bullets I have tried.

I do admit that more lightly constructed animals will display a lot more tissue damage than a more heavily muscled one, but, I have noticed that with Hornady/Speer and factory load Winchester and Remington bullets.

In December of 2013, I shot a cow elk in western Colorado with a 165 or 168 grain Barnes TSX out of my .300 Weatherby. Spined her thru the shoulders and lost maybe 2 pounds of meat total counting blood shot meat. The cow dropped in her tracks.

One concept that might play a role in producing results like this, especially with hand loads, is pushing the bullet at top end velocities.

Every Barnes bullet I have recovered looked like the ones in their advertisements, perfect peel back of the petals with 98 to 100% weight retention.

DogLeg, for you to have killed as many animals as you claim, with the kind of damage as described in the OP, yet dropped the majority of those animals on the spot, your hits would have all been spine or brain shots and as such there would not be that kind of trauma to the animal.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
when you start paying for MY guns/shells/hunts, your opinion MIGHT matter, until then I do not care how many animals you claim to have killed.

I have never experienced that type performance from Barnes bullets and YOU can not prove otherwise!

Now, I am not calling you a liar, are you calling me one?

Actually, now I just think you're drunk.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
I have not had that type destruction with either the Barnes "X" or with the TSX bullets I have tried.

I do admit that more lightly constructed animals will display a lot more tissue damage than a more heavily muscled one, but, I have noticed that with Hornady/Speer and factory load Winchester and Remington bullets.

In December of 2013, I shot a cow elk in western Colorado with a 165 or 168 grain Barnes TSX out of my .300 Weatherby. Spined her thru the shoulders and lost maybe 2 pounds of meat total counting blood shot meat. The cow dropped in her tracks.

One concept that might play a role in producing results like this, especially with hand loads, is pushing the bullet at top end velocities.

Every Barnes bullet I have recovered looked like the ones in their advertisements, perfect peel back of the petals with 98 to 100% weight retention.

DogLeg, for you to have killed as many animals as you claim, with the kind of damage as described in the OP, yet dropped the majority of those animals on the spot, your hits would have all been spine or brain shots and as such there would not be that kind of trauma to the animal.

Once again, typically the TSX has little damage, hense the slow killing. The TTSX is seeming to do more on high speed impacts. Are you going to pass out before New Years? Pace yourself man.

Go back and read what I wrote.

Every persons mileage varies, plain and simple.

Each of us that hunt have different experiences.

My experiences with Barnes "X" and now the TSX is quick kills with minimal meat destruction.

If or when I stop getting that type performance I will switch to something else.

If you kill enough game with a specific bullet at a fairly high speed,sooner or later its going to do something you just cant explain.All you can do is ponder on it for a few minutes,shake your head,laugh,say damn,and start cleaning up the mess. Perplexing isn't it. lol

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If you kill enough game with a specific bullet at a fairly high speed,sooner or later its going to do something you just cant explain.All you can do is ponder on it for a few minutes,shake your head,laugh,say damn,and start cleaning up the mess. Perplexing isn't it. lol

Ding, Ding, Ding....We Have The Winner. That is as good as it can be stated.

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End of story.

No, the end of the story is "and then it ran away". That's the standard ending for an animal that gets shot with a Barnes and not spined or had its front wheels shot off.

Hasn't been the standard ending on most of the animals I've killed, and I mostly use barnes bullets.

But I can't claim to have killed thousands of animals. Only dozens.


Perhaps ok just getting my quick deaths out of the way.

I love TSX's and they universally give exceptional accuracy in my every day hunting guns.

They are universally available from our local gun stores and compared to the "speciality" bullets touted here on AR they are cheap.

There is no difference in actual performance between the TSX's and the speciality bullets.

So what is there not to like about them. My yearly allowable Moose Quota gets filled with a TSX

Come to think of it I hunt Moose with a group of about 16 to 19 guys depending on who can go at they time of the year, The majority of them do not even know what they are shooting in their guns and every year we limit out on our limited entry tags. One year we shot 9 moose and all succumbed in short order no matter what the bullet or caliber.

I would be worried that that bullet was unstable. What twist is the barrel?

I have observed bullets that have a higher than normal "rotational spin", may or may not cause a lot of blood shot tissue but it will show a larger than normal hole with what I call a lot of hamburger looking meat around it, and it may look very clean in some cases and not show a lot of blood shot area or it may show a lot of blood shot area at other times and I interpet that hamburger look with little blood shot tissue to a lack of velocity and the same wound with a lot of blood shot area to come from high velocity???..

Just my observation and I make no claims to expertise on wounds but have seen a lot of wounds and I am an old bullet digger for sure!