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I've just discovered a need for a go-anywhere-in-any-weather-and-shoot-something-medium-sized rifle. This rifle will likely be a new purchase of a stainless .308 (probably) or 30-06 (possibly) with a synthetic stock. The models in question are the synthetic factory stocks for the Model 70 and the Sako 75 Hunter (not the Finnlight). Possible uses would be for pushing through thorns for plains game in Africa, or rainy Alaska - both for shooting and for use as a climbing and wading aid. I understand factory stocks are not up to McMillan or Bansner standards. I would like to know if they're acceptable quality, both in stiffness or other. This isn't a discussion of the merits of Controlled Round Feed - just the quality of the stocks. What do you think? Jaywalker | ||
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My new M70 synthetic is pretty good. Its no mcmillan but its not a savage stock either. If you plan on a go anywhere do anything rifle stainless synthetic in 30-06 or .300wm sounds good to me. Mine is 30-06 cause they tend to shoot the heavier bullet wieghts a bit better than the .308. But yeah i say go with a M70 winchester. Good stuff.  Well polish my balls and serve me a milkshake! | |||
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I have M 70 30/06 Sako 75 hunter 7/08 The Sako stock is much better imho There is nothing as permanent as a good temporary repair. | |||
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Hey JW I have had 2 stainless synthetic Model 75 Sakos and I do not like the stocks. The one on my 270 broke at the pistol grip and I replaced it with a MacMillan. Sako would have replaced it but I did not want to put rifle and scope in the mail, they had to have the rifle. MacMillan only needed the magazine and floor plate. Another reason I don't like those stocks is that they are too flexible. You can get set to shoot at the bench and push on the pistol grip and the sight picture changes significantly. They are also pretty heavy. It's a shame cause the SS Sako's are fine rifles. JMHO ____________________________________ There are those who would misteach us that to stick in a rut is consistency - and a virtue, and that to climb out of the rut is inconsistency - and a vice. - Mark Twain | Chinese Proverb: When someone shares something of value with you and you benefit from it, you have a moral obligation to share it with others. ___________________________________ | |||
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Hmm. Thanks, though the news is not as good as I hoped. Jaywalker | |||
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The newer injection molded stocks on the WInchesters are not particularly stiff in comparison to a good laid-up fiberglass stock, but in my opinion they are completely serviceable, particularly if they are bedded and generously free-floated. I've broken a Bansner and a McMillan, and an injection molded stock would probably have survived in both cases. They are fairly heavy and have a 'plasticy' feel to them, but in very rough conditions I think they are better than a lot of the lightweight fiberglass stocks. | |||
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Teh synthetic stocks Winchester puts on the M-70 are perfectly good stocks and stand up to Alaskan conditions better than many laid up fiberglass stocks. They also, in my hand, carry and feel better. tupperware stocks have gotton a bad rap from many writers but this one thinks they are just fine. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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IF, I repeat IF I had to have a plastic stock and I never have in all my years of hunting then I would opt for the Rimrock, (the old Pacific Research stock)..It had a real stock design designed by a well known stock maker and felt like a rifle should feel (even has checkering), something none of the rest of those stump feeling platic thangs do IMO....  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I agree with Phil, synthetic stocks have been getting a bad rap in the press and that's unfortunate because of the advances in injection molding and quality control in recent years. I've used them since they first came out and have had no bad experiences with any of them. Since rifles are tools to me, I don't get caught up in the looks of them. Of the choices you mention I would personally lean towards the Model 70.  | |||
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I bought a Win M70 Classic Stainless (30-06) a few months ago. Their "factory" molded stock wasn't to my liking, so I replaced it with one from HS Precision. I did the same to a stainless M700 last year. | |||
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I found that both the Win factory and the Butler Creek "tupperwre" stocks can be sanded down around the forend and grip to make a better feeling stock. The Butler Creek cheekpiece can be rasped off as well. As for a high end and good feeling stock both the Borden Rimrock and the Echol's designed McMillan stocks are fantastic. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Okay, that works for me. Note: Phil was, of course, the inspiration for my need for a stock that could double as a climbing and river-crossing aid. Use what'cha got... Thanks. Jaywalker | |||
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I'm not a fan of "tuperware" prefering High Tech, Brown Precision or even a cheapy like bell & carlson. Have said that, the preference is mostly about the stiffness, not durability. The better stocks just shoot better w/ less fuss. Yet, most of my gripes are solved by pillars & a bedding job. I did this on a 700 rem. SS 280. It went from minute of soup can groups and chaning point of impact every time it traveled in a vehicle to MOA that holds a zero. | |||
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Of the Factory Stocks the Sako is far superior to the Winchester. I've had more than a half a dozen of both. I've got a few tupperware M-70 stocks lying around after having been replaced with Mcmillans, HS etc. but for some reason to me the factory Sako's have been good enough. Maybe it's that the Sako's have shot so well in the factory stocks I've not wanted to change anything.............DJ ....Remember that this is all supposed to be for fun!.................. | |||
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How does Rugers newre synthetic stock compare to the others, it seems stiffer in the forearm than the older boat paddle. | |||
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The only sythetic stock I own is my 257 WBY mag and that stock feels like wood is as heavy as wood also. | |||
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!!!!! Compare cost of Alaska or Africa trip to cost of stock. IMHO buy the gun you want and throw the stock away. Get McMillian or Brown and put it on the gun. $300 or whatever for the stock is an extra investment in the hunt, not an expense. Would you buy cheapo ammo because it works, most of the time, maybe the way you want, and is a way to save some money? .02 Support the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation | |||
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