Just an idea of how dumb a few of these posts rapping the 338/06 are getting......

If you need bigger, take one bigger....

if you don't then smile and use a 338/06 and live without the recoil.....

And as for the 32 Win Special..... it may not be fancy but it sure is another good old cartridge!
And it has taken its share of Elk over the years also..

And I personally believe the same amount of big game animals are LOST today, shot by big magnums... the same as the number that were shot and lost in years gone by using smaller calibers with a lot less velocity to them....

The reason why??? Poor shot placement, is the biggest culprit....but the more horsepower the rifle has the less likely people are to blame it on that.... the less horse power a round has, the more OTHER people are to blame that on the reason the game got away after being shot....

But Grandpa with a 32 Win Special, is probably a lot more deadly than a young YUPPIE with his 3000 Weatherby Magnum and his $4.00 per shot premium bullet......

Just the way I see it...


cheers
seafire

Just an idea of how dumb a few of these posts rapping the 338/06 are getting......

You bring up an interesting point. I am one person who has NOT bashed the 338-06 in favor of the 338 Mag. I have simply said that I fail to see any advantage in using it with what appears to be the bullet of choice, Nosler 210, over a 30-06 with a 200 grain Nosler. I don't consider that a dumb observation. For my money the 338-06 isn't as versatile as the 30-06 unless bullets of 225-250 grains are used, and few people seem to use those. I also can't see a reason in the world to use a bullet less than 200 grains in the 338-06. That is simply reinventing the wheel!!

It's interesting you bring up the 32 Win Special. When I was a youngster first starting to hunt deer the same argument you are seeing here was going on about the 30-30 and the 32 Special. Their followers could give you all kinds of reasons why one was better than the other. The plain truth of the matter was they were practically identical when shooting the same weight bullet. About the only difference in the 30-30 vs 32 Special and the 30-06 vs 338-06 argument we see here is they were both factory rounds that were chambered in more than one factory rifle. I question whether the same will ever be true about the 338-06 when the 35 Whelen is barely hanging on as a factory chambered round. I'm certainly not bashing the Whelen, but it's obvious enough of them aren't selling to keep them in factory chambered rifles. Even if both were factory chambered in several rifles I'm sure the 30-06 would outsell both the 338-06 and 35 Whelen put together and probably with good reason.

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Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
Just an idea of how dumb a few of these posts rapping the 338/06 are getting......

Yep. I'm waitng to see the ".270 Win vs. .30-06" thread to be posted.

-Bob F.

Reckon it depends on HOW DOWN-LOADED IS IT??

From my years building custom rifles I have found that the people who pick the 3006 over the .338-06 or the Whalen do not want the heavier recoil of the bigger bullets. Those that do not mind, or used to the recoil go for the .338 Win mag, .358 Norma or the .358 STA. It is not that the 06 based cartridges are bad it is just that the big guys can do a lot more and with reloading there is nothing which the 06 based cartridges can do which the mags can not do and more. One more thing is ammo availability for the .338 Win Mag. You can find that stuff any where in the world not so for the .35 Whelen or the 338-06.

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One more thing is ammo availability for the .338 Win Mag. You can find that stuff any where in the world not so for the .35 Whelen or the 338-06.

While this is likely a very true statement it's also one of the most misused excuses to support a cartridge that one prefers. Tell me one person that forgot or lost his ammo!!! Especially when it's a wildcat!!

I'm a fan of the .338-06 solely because I can build a lighter .338-06 than a .338 Magnum and have a lot of rifle in a lighter package.....yes it's going to kick a bit but that's a easy price to pay for the privilage to haul around 1 1/2 less pounds all day.

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Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
But Grandpa with a 32 Win Special, is probably a lot more deadly ---

Hey, John, your Grand Pa had a rare 32 Win. special. I think mine ( as a kid ) had a 1 to 16 twist and if I could hit a 12" pie plate 3 out of 6 times I felt lucky. Never did take that mod. 94 hunting. roger

Vapodog
You don't fly much do you? I know several people, including me, who have lost their ammo and had to get more out in the boonies.

I think the SIMPLE answer to your question is YES. The 338-06 down loaded has the capability of much greater horse power than the 32 special. Generally there is an added advantage in that the 32 specials are seldom used with a scope were the 338-06s have scopes. roger

A couple of answers to questions raised here...

Roger B: Nope Roger, My Grandpa had a 30/30 in a Marlin 336 he handed down ( and some jerk stole out of my truck)... Once a 32 Special is shot out some, the one in 16 twist throws the shots all over the place....

When I posted this, I was making tongue in cheek humor at the guys bashing the 338/06....

To Idared... I am never going to consider the 338/06 inferior or superior over the 30/06....
I love the 30/06... It is probably my love for the 30/06 that drives my love for the 338/06 over the 338 Mag! I own both the 06 and the 338/06 and never will be without one of each in my gun cabinet.... In the 30/06 I tend to load 200 and 220 grain RN's most of the time.....

As far as loosing ammo and needing factory stuff..... Well Yes I don't have the luxury of flying all over the world hunting....probably wouldn't even if I had the money to do so....
I also hand load, all of my ammo... whether Walmart carries it or not... that includes the standards, like 243, 270, 30/06.....Factory ammo is for those 'OTHER GUYS'!

338/06 superiority over a 35 Whelen... Yes I personally think a 338/06 is superior over a Whelan and over a 30/06.....Do I think It is superior enough to have me act like my 338/06 will do a lot of things, the other two guys with the 30/06 and 35 Whelan can't do???? I don't think so...All are fine cartridges and will do anything anyone of us could ask of them, when we put the bullet in the right spot and don't get over zealous and think they are powerful enough to shoot down spaceships with them.....

32 Special vs 30/30....I think a 32 special is a better choice for Elk than it is for deer! Why?
Not based on killing factor.... Based on the fact that Elk are a bigger target .... And the way a 32 Special can throw lead all over the place, the bigger the target, the better off the chances are of hitting something with fur attached to it with the 32 Win Special....

cheers
seafire

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Originally posted by bartsche:
.... I think mine ( as a kid ) had a 1 to 16 twist and if I could hit a 12" pie plate 3 out of 6 times I felt lucky. ...

Hey Roger, Was that a "Scout" model?!?!?!

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Originally posted by Hot Core:
Hey Roger, Was that a "Scout" model?!?!?!

It would be if I had it now but than my eye sight was good enough to use open sights. roger

Seafire,

Why buy a 32 Special when you can download a 458 Win Mag? After all, that little case will always be little..

Then again, if versatility were all that mattered we could all just shoot a 30-06 and can every other cartridge.

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32 Special vs 30/30....I think a 32 special is a better choice for Elk than it is for deer! Why?
Not based on killing factor.... Based on the fact that Elk are a bigger target .... And the way a 32 Special can throw lead all over the place, the bigger the target, the better off the chances are of hitting something with fur attached to it with the 32 Win Special...

seafire/17G

That was good!!!