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Once again B.S.,I have sectioned enough bullets to see that this is not true.

Not another new guy trying to start something here, sorry if it comes off that way.

The camps I have hunted in, to mention a trend, 7MM hunters seem to show up with tailored handloads and the #1 bullet, just to mention a name would be Nolser BT's. (300Mag seems the #1 choice here)

While the rule is not true here, the #1 bullet for the 06's seems to be more in line with factory bullets, just stating an observation.

While we stand at odds for our method of testing bullets, I like to see how they hold up in the field in downed animals.

Fallowing the point I was hoping to make, expanding on it. To me it seems that the speed of spin rate is what makes bullets come apart.

Just what I have seen in the field seems to support a trend that a 7MM bullet seem to come apart a little more often then 06 bullets.

Again, sorry if it sounds like i am trying to start something, as i am not. But one thing i am not is full of BS, if you wish to use that term for one of my post, bring your 'A' game instead of telling me you cut bullets apart. Unless you are just trying to crack me up?

My point would be that there really is not that much difference between an 06 and 7MM, on the surface.

What we do know, most 7MM's have a faster twist rate then 06's.

7MM's shoot a little faster then 06's.

7MM's tend to be a little longer thinner bullets then 06's in the same bullet, with a little more trend to upset more violently.

7MM bullets just seem to self destruct a little more often then 06 bullets.

My choice for Upper Mid-West Whitetail deer in thick cover would be an 06 , out West, a 7MM.

(edit: 7MM = 7Rem. Mag.)

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Originally posted by Shoerfast:

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Once again B.S.,I have sectioned enough bullets to see that this is not true.

7MM bullets just seem to self destruct a little more often then 06 bullets.

My choice for Upper Mid-West Whitetail deer in thick cover would be an 06 , out West, a 7MM.

Many 7mm mag guys choose a poor bullet design for the vel. used. The point of going to the magnum case over say a 280 IMO, is I can push a heavier bullet faster, not a lighter one. At impact speeds over 2800fps, you best have a good premium bullet in your 7mag. If you take SD & vel. into acocunt, the 06 & 280 are very close & the 7remmag has a very slight edge. I would choose a 06 for hunting close in or the 7remmag for farther shots. I don't, instead a 338-06 in close & a 7Dakota for out far.

I used a Weatherby vanguard in 7mmRM for several years. It had a substantial laminated stock but still packed a substantial punch. The best shots Ive ever made on mule deer were with that rifle. It is a great round if you want to put up with the recoil. It gets tiresome off the bench pretty quick. Compared to my 35 Whelen it has more of a sharp kick. Ive personally migrated to the 280 Remington as it does nearly the same job without the jolt. But I wouldnt criticize anyone who used a 7RM. Its ballistics are top notch and it always gave me one shot kills.

Another thing I like about the 280 is it is right on the heels of the mag with considerably less powder. A nice perk for the reloader.

I would like to add somthing to freds point.
I think lots of guys choose the wrong bullet for the 7mm magnum.
For example being the 140 grain balistic tip.
That bullet at 3200 fps is just not (in y opinion , likly to to sta together at short range.
I would much prefer a 160 grain Balistic tip at about 2900.
The trajectory is not so different.
If you really want the 140 grain bullets, use an acubond partition or a barnes.
That 140 grain balistic tip is great for a 7mm08 or a 7X57, but it is not designed to hold up at 3200 Fps in a big deer.
...tj3006

All I ever used in my 7rm was a 145 gn speer hot core @ about 3000 fs. Always on Utah mulies, never a problem. One shot kills for about a decade.

I would agree though that the mag is most effectivly used with heavier/tougher bullets on game that needs it. Otherwise a 280 or an 06 with smaller bullets works just as well.

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I would like to add somthing to freds point.
I think lots of guys choose the wrong bullet for the 7mm magnum.
For example being the 140 grain balistic tip.
That bullet at 3200 fps is just not (in y opinion , likly to to sta together at short range.
I would much prefer a 160 grain Balistic tip at about 2900.
The trajectory is not so different.
If you really want the 140 grain bullets, use an acubond partition or a barnes.
That 140 grain balistic tip is great for a 7mm08 or a 7X57, but it is not designed to hold up at 3200 Fps in a big deer.
...tj3006

I am guilty as charged here!

I really like how flat the lighter of the spectrum of 7MM bullets shoot out of a 7RM , with out any extra 'slap-ya' in an out of position shot from a tree-stand, for a say.

One elk in particular, if i may share the results of a head-on shot into the brisket of a nice 6X bull?

A hunter from New York with a fairly hot loaded 7RM with a 140Gr Nolser BT at about 100 yards. There was only about a few spoons full of blood outside the bull, but a real number inside.

The bull was at a good trot, but looked like he stumbled backwards a step as he fell.

The shot took out a part a chest rib just below the base of the wind-pipe and totally took apart the top of the heart and disintegrated the center sections of both lungs, but only had a couple nicks in the diaphragm, most of the bullet was found in lung tissue.

A 165Gr bullet or a partition would have been a little messier to field dress, I see your point, you are right about being a better choice.

Bullet construction is far more important than bullet weight will ever be.I have taken enough elk and moose with 140gr partitions,tsx's and accubonds out of the 7mm remmag(3200fps),and out of the 7mmstw(3500fps) to know that you don't need a heavier bullet.

Stubblejumper,

This is out of a custom Greg Tannel 7mm Remington Magnum rifle.

what your favorite bullet and weight for elk under 300 yards?

deer and pronghorn @ 300 yards or less ?

bear @ 300 yards or less? btw, Oregon black bear under 300 pounds.

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This is out of a custom Greg Tannel 7mm Remington Magnum rifle.

what your favorite bullet and weight for elk under 300 yards?

deer and pronghorn @ 300 yards or less ?

bear @ 300 yards or less? btw, Oregon black bear under 300 pounds.

I only use one load out of each rifle,and my current favorite bullet for the 7mmstw and 7mmremmag is the 140gr mrx.My hunting partners are using the 140gr accubond or 140gr ttsx with great results.

Well, not being a 'magnum' kind of guy, for my 50th birthday I went out and bought a Weatherby 7mm mag. syn. I have spent a small fortune on ammo and have settled on 160 grain partitions which print 1.25 inches all day long no matter what I seem to do. A little flatter than 30/06 but all things being equal about the same.

While I don't have near the experience of most of the guys here, I will give my view on the 7RM. I have a Weatherby Vanguard in 7RM. I bought it because I did not know if I would ever buy a second rifle or not. I wanted a caliber that would cover a wide range of game. I have taken animals as small as Black Buck and as large as Elk. And I have never had to go looking for an animal. They never go far. It
is such a versatile caliber.

140? this is for lung shot & heart shot placement? What about pentration if you miss the heart or lungs?

Are Barnes Triple Shock known to be accurate or within 1/2 inch @ 100 yards?

Love it. Great long range round - I've used mine for a long time on whitetails out of a tree stand and it's pretty much a bang-flop affair. Mine didn't really like heavier bullets though. My uncle bought one based on a P17 action in a cheap stock that loves 175's and I'm extremely jealous! He's taken a few moose with it, no problems there either. It shoots flat and hits hard. IMO it's a good choice for a multi-purpose big game round, excepting the big bears.

I tried Sierra 140gr. They were extremely accurate, but caused too much meat damage at normal hunting ranges. I went to 150gr Partitions for Mule deer, and fell in love. For hunting medium game at close to medium range with the 7mmRemMag, the 160gr does best. There is more than enough horsepower and the bullet weight matches impact velocity much better.

I like 140's for deer. Either 139 gr. Hornady soft points or 140 Ballistic tips. More than enough for Texas whitetail.

The 7Mag is a good round, but I'll be darned if I can tell that it kills anything better than the 7/08 or 7x57 with a 160 at 2750 fps. I hate to say this but I believe the difference is minimal. If I need bigger than the little 7mm's I need a .338WM not a bigger 7mm or .30. Of course this is just my opinion! By the way I have shot game with a 7 Mag since I was 15 and I'm 52.

Stubblejumper and others,

what velocity are you getting with the 140's in the 7mm Remington Magnum?

Would you mind sharing the load data?

Anybody using Barnes 120 grain Triple Shock? if so, what velocity are you getting and of course could you please share the load data. Any negatives on this bullet?

Thanks.

As far as talking ballistics shop with you boys, I'm way out of my element, so have nothing to add. That said, I've killed bear, antelope, moose and hog with one (not to mention varmints), so anecdotally speaking, it's a good round.

I took one to South Africa in '05 shooting factory Remington 160 A Frames and got one shot kills on eight out of ten animals from jackal at 40 yards to gemsbok at over 300. Remington saw fit to stop loading that bullet in 7 Rem, for what reason neither I nor the guy who owns Swift bullets knows, but that is one tough load for plains game up to eland. I had some 175 gr. Trophy Bonded that weren't nearly as accurate, so I left them in camp.

I have two 7 Rems, an old A bolt which I have used for 15 or 16 years from Canada to Africa, and it gets the job done. My Dakota is still a virgin, but maybe this year I'll get a whitetail with it. It shoots Federal 160 TSX's into a group you can hide with a dime at 100. Wouldn't hesitate to use it at four or five hundred yards. Beanfield hunting in SC, shots like that are occasionally possible.

If I were out for griz, I'd use my .375, but anything else in North America and Africa up through eland, I'll use the 7 Rem. Can't beat it for versatility.

I bought one of Chet Browns rifles in 1994 (big trouble to import it to Germany). Since then I had numerous trips to asia but also used it in Germany /Austria for long distance chamois etc. the 7RM always seems to me a bit unsexy (and also a bit tricky re accuracy) but it does the job so amazingly well that I had my expensive Hagn Single Shot chambered also in 7RM. Used that one in Poland/Uk etc. with great success.

Well...
Last year I bought a 7mm Mag as a "Someday" elk gun and a "today" deer/antelope gun. I already have a .308 Win, but wanted something else.

I have to say I am very impressed so far. My .308 is a bit fussy as to what it likes to shoot, the 7mm is pretty happy from 139 grain on up. And I can still get bullets and powder for my 7mm as opposed to anything in 30 cal right now.

My Fugly Savage 110, 15 year old rifle shoots everything well. I find 140gr Ballistic tips to be to distructive on whitetail, a decent 150grsp is much better. I use to shoot 175gr for larger game, but changed to 160gr Barnes X. I picked up some 140gr Barnes X to try out also. At 19.00 per 50 for flat base they make great 400 yard bullets. I'm good w/ a 400 yard kill. I'm sure I could strech that to 600, but have no need to. My main hunting rifles are in 6.5x55, 7mmRM, and 8x57. My NIB 1981 BLR in .308 will get a work out this fall.

Using 140gr bullets and r-22,I can easily achieve 3200fps with a 24" barrel in most 7mmremmag rifles.From past experience with both bullets on big game,the 140gr tsx will penetrate as much as or even more than a 175gr partition.

There's nothing wrong with the 7Mag cartridge, the problem is with the 7Mag shooters. Almost universally, they think the cartridge is a softer recoiling 300 Mag or even a 338 Mag but in fact the 7 Mag is nothing more than a loud, hard kicking 270.

What's the world coming to when the mere mention of the 7 Mag won't start an argument amongst gun nuts?

I have a couple 6.5x55s and a 338WM and have been looking for something to fill the gap (I know it's pretty big). It doesn't take too much research to realize the great potential of this caliber. Just considering the Nosler Partition alone, the 7mm has the highest BC of all calibers (.519). And I thought the .490 BC of the 6.5 140g was high! What can be wrong with a bullet with that BC running at 3,000 fps? That bullet could be used for everything from whitetails to elk, without the ultra high velocity throat wear on the rifle and meat damage. Looks like the best of both worlds to me.

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Originally posted by ForrestB:
There's nothing wrong with the 7Mag cartridge, the problem is with the 7Mag shooters. Almost universally, they think the cartridge is a softer recoiling 300 Mag or even a 338 Mag but in fact the 7 Mag is nothing more than a loud, hard kicking 270.

What's the world coming to when the mere mention of the 7 Mag won't start an argument amongst gun nuts?

I'll bite. The 7 mag is middle of the road between the 270 and 338. I don't think the difference between the 300 WM and the 7 mag is noticeable at all, unless you count the flatter shooting. higher BC of the 7 mag.

I personally like all of these calibers, except the 270. I haven't got a good reason for my hatred, but I just don't like a 270. Kinda like you have a favorite sports team and a hated sports team. I love the 7mm's and just hate a 270.

Daniel, Have you ever known two sisters that look quite a bit alike but one of them is drop-dead gorgeous and other one is OK but but sort of "big boned"? Well, the really hot sister would be the 270 and the pudgy sister would be the 7 Mag.

I guess, in general, you could say we like the same thing in women but you've got a soft spot for the chubby chicks.

To each his own.

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There's nothing wrong with the 7Mag cartridge, the problem is with the 7Mag shooters. Almost universally, they think the cartridge is a softer recoiling 300 Mag or even a 338 Mag but in fact the 7 Mag is nothing more than a loud, hard kicking 270.

More like the 270win is a want to be 7mmremmag.

I have a model 70 in 7mm Magnum, use 140 grain bullets for just about everything, elk included. If I'm not sure what to take, I take that. Trajectory is not much different from my 6mm-284, lots more energy downrange, although I don't shoot much past 300 yards if I can help it.