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I have read on different forums about the problems guys have had with the Moderator over at that forum and just had the most ridiculous thing happen to me. I replied on a forum about a Kimber Montana with accuracy issues and I got into a debate with the Moderator about what is to be expected with the purchase of a $1000+ dollar rifle and that it appeared that Kimber has had some QC issues. Now keep in mind I have a brand new one that I like a lot.The friggin jerk deletes my post and then sends me an email stating that I should quit wasting peoples time? Man if you dont agree with that guy he just deletes your post rather than have you prove him wrong. Talk about censorship. Theres some knowledgeable guys over there but that guy is a jerk! | ||
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Been there! I made a comment on crimping loads for my BAR with the Lee Factory Crimp Die and he went nuts. He admitted that he had never tried the LFCD but still layed into my ass. I politely told him that I thought he was doing a disservice to his members by putting his "stamp of disapproval" on something that he has no first hand knowledge of. I was kicked off and not allowed to post. | |||
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Thats what he did to me. I couldn't even log on to tell him what I thought of him deleting my post. Class act. No wonder so few people view and participate on the posts on that forum. | |||
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This is one of the most obvious reasons AR fares so well. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I think the moderators on AR are idiots and the 220 Swift is the ONLY DG cartridge. If it's loaded properly, with gasoline of couse. Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt. | |||
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 slow day, Taylor?  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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That bbs is just a booster club for the shortmags. If you have anything negative to say, they don't want to hear it. There's a pretty good shortmag fanclub on 24hourcampfire too, but I've never had a moderator get involved. I have a shortmag I like a lot, but that doesn't mean that Kimbers don't have thier QC issues. They do. | |||
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I gave up on the Shortmag.org website a long time ago after just such an exchange... Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. | |||
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Well the thing you have to keep in your mind when it comes to forums is that there are scores of them. Move along their loss. I've never known anyone that has died from getting kicked off a forum. Life is too short to worry about assholes. | |||
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I can tell you that I didn't lose any sleep over it last night! | |||
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It sounds like another GB forum | |||
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I've been a member there for over six years. Last year I posted in a 7mmWSM thread that 'I'd found new respect for the cartridge and it's high BC bullets when I found out that it's one of the favored cartridges in 1000 yd shooting'. That's it, the post was on topic and I didn't dissagree with anyone or anything. The next day I returned and found that my post was taken down. Haven't posted there since. | |||
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Same type of thing has been happening on www.marlinowners.com in the "big bore" section the last couple of weeks. Seems like a moderator should be like an effective referee crew at a football game. When they they do their job correctly, everything flows, and you enjoy the game. When they don't, you notice the referees, not the game. Long live Saeed. | |||
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It's not really like that any more. There have been quite a few posts deleted lately. | |||
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Although I have no input about the moderators at shotmags, I have been reading so many negative posts about Kimber 84s abd 8400s, I desided against buying one. The large amount of negative posts combined with (as no one around me carries any in stock) the fact I would have to order one site unseen changed my mimd. BTW, did anyone else see and can remember at what website some Kimber 84 rifle owner posted the pictures of how mind blowingly out of wack the barrel of his brand new 84 was? I did, but can not recall at what WS I saw them. | |||
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Hey Art, Why yes indeed, that would be located right here at good old AR. I have it bookmarked under Constantly Warping Termite Food and is up that page just a bit. Just another reason "why" Synthetic makes sense "IF" you take a rifle outdoors. | |||
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I signed up on that shortmag site just yesterday. I answered a few posts and immediately got an E-mail from their "moderator". Guess he didn't like what I had to say. I replied that I still had the right to express my opinion. my opinion to him was he could shove his site up his ass. Seems like I told Greybeard the same thing a few years ago. Damn! Less than three hours and I'm out of a site. That's got to be a bit of a record. Maybe I ought to go look an see if I'm still around. Naaggghhh! Why bother? Paul B. | |||
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I didn't get kicked off but got tired of the moderator "editing" my posts and taking out what I thought were important points. I just quit going there. Not a very good site... RH | |||
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Paul B, now thats funny as hell. 3 hours and you got the boot. Its apprarent that he doesn't want people with experience and an opinion on that site. | |||
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Whats is the name and address of this site. Sounds like it might be fun to join and and see how long it takes to be banned. I wonder if the owner/moderator is some young know-it-all kid? | |||
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It won't take long, all you have to do is disagree with the moderator. I used to go there, not any more. Even though he doesn't shoot my shortmag/scope combination, he determined by the "specs" that there was not adeqate eye relief and that it was unsafe. What an ass !!! I shoot a .270 WSM with a Burris 3-9x40 Fullfield II. I get almost 4" of eye relief. Once again, what an ass !!! If you can use a proxy, you can repeatedly go back and get banned and he can't ban your real IP addy. More fun that way. Elite Archery and High Country dealer. | |||
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In tryed www.shortmag.org. I cant even find the forum. I get the no server page. I must be banned and I havent even seen the forum yet. | |||
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Here is the address of the new site. http://www.netrifle.com/forum1/default.asp The moderator is very oppinionated, I told him where to go after he deleted one of my posts. | |||
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Thanks for the link. I think I'm gonna register just so's I can rattle his cage. | |||
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I have to defend the shortmags.org forum. No, I am not the Moderator. I do not know the Moderator, or have any affiliation other than a forum member. I'm not saying any of you are totally wrong. You just need to express yourselves with the whole picture. First off, to become a member of the forum there, you must read and agree to the terms and conditions. I suspect many of you did not. One person claims to have been a member there for six years. B.S. the site has not been up for that long. As far as the long range 7WSM thread, I suspect you may have crossed the line and related it to long range hunting which is not permitted at shortmags.org. As far as the crimping thread, I don't know of any use for crimping a short mag, and that is not a proceedure for anyone but experienced handloaders that have a specific need to do so. I agree, the Moderator there is very opinionated, but he states his reasoning with factual data to support it. I ceretainly do not agree with him at all times, but I do like the way the forum is run. There is no hajacking threads, no posting of bogus info, or posting of unfactual gun shop rumours. The Burris Fullfield II is a great scope. I own three of them. None of mine have 4" of eye relief, and even Burris' website list is at under 3.5". If that doesn't make the shortmags list of recommendations, so what! If you like it use it, and take all other info in stride. This is not a personal attack on anyone that dislikes the shortmags website. I just thought it neccessary to give a little insight on the other perspective so we can all reflect. As far as trying to intentionally badger the Moderator by signing up with a different proxy, all I have to say is grow up! It's that attitude that is not wanted at that forum and is one reason that I read and contribute to it regularly. There are a lot of members there that have a lot of knowledge and experience. As long as the info is accurate, it will get posted. Keep in mind that the Moderator doesn't have to spend his money to post your garbage. I hope this helps set some of the records straight. Again, this is not a flame or a direct attack on any of you. I enjoy hearing the good and the bad, and I'll use what I want from such. What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public. | |||
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Bear you are in fact defending him because a forum is a place for open discussion. I dont know the liability thing on posting loads I mean cmon its a reloading forum, but in my case it was a discussion about accuracy issues with a Kimber Montana 270WSM and I was discussing some of the issues that Kimber has had with their Montanas. I recently bought one going directly against the negative feedback soo many have provided. I love mine and it shoots and feeds great and I dont even reload. But the jackass moderator was debating with me that just because you spend $1000 + dollars on a rifle that basically theres no guarantee that it will either feed or shoot accurately. He was good enough to leave his thread with his opinion and then deleted mine and emailed me not to waste his time. I thought a forum was a place for opinions and experiences mixed in for discussion. The guy is an arrogant Azzhole thats all there is to it. He doesn't have a fraction of the participation this forum and a 1/2 dozen others has, when you talk to folks with the know it all attitude he does thats the results you get. Just like him advising me not shoot griz with my 300WSM and 180 grain Barnes TSX. The guy doesnn't know half what he thinks he does, but he does get to edit peoples posts so I can only imagine how much else is left out of threads via his screening. Should be called Moderator.org! | |||
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Bear, who decides what is bogus or factual? Where do you draw the line on opinion? Basically, from what I have gathered here is that the moderator is the only person with ËapprovedËopinion. Discussion, opinions and oh yes arguments are what forums are all about. Doesn't sound like a place where I would like to hang out. Oh, and what is so unusual about crimping? I don't follow. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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One more thing, Bear you stated "As long as the info is accurate, it will get posted." So like in my case can we not discuss topics without absolute factual or non-factual information, you know opinions. There is no accurate or inaccurate statements when discussing ideas and opinions. He stated that I should not use my 300 wsm with Barns TSX for grizzly, thats not factual but he didn't have any problem letting his non-factual opinion fly, its way biased bud. | |||
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First post on AR eh? Did you sign up here just to Badger us?  | |||
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Like others have said only he can determine what is accurate. Only his opinion counts. He also gets to determine what email you use. Give me a break. I looked there once. Didn't like what I saw. His agree with me or go home didn't cut it with me. I will stay right here. As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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I checked out that site and read his little list of Site rules and crap. What a joke.  | |||
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No, I didn't sign up just to badger this forum. Read my post with some comprehension, and it will state that this is not an attempt to attack either you personally or this site. I just don't spend a lot of time on the computer and don't know of many forum sites. When I saw this thread, I just thought I might investigate a little further and get some feedback. Ultimately, it is his opinion and his judgement that matters because it is his site. If that pushes your buttons too far then stay away, I guess. You also have to determine whether you are recieving advice or an opinion. The two do differ. The advice I have recieved on that forum has been wonderful. The opinions there, not just Moderators, don't always reflect my personal experiences either, but I never argue based on opinion alone, that's a waste of time. Thanks for the input and replys. If it's not your place to hang then don't hang there. I personally have not seen the lack of opinions expressed or just one sided, Moderator biased, conversations occurring there. I pick my battles. This is not a battle by the way. In general, obey the rules or don't play. I can live with that most of the time. As far as bogus, opinion, and factual, facts are just that, they are supported by eviedence not based on opinion or belief. It's bogus that you got kicked off for no reason. It's my opinion that you violated the rules while posting. It's fact that you were removed because of doing so. What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public. | |||
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Not on any of the forums I moderate. To this thread, I think complaining about other forums is somewhat CS, but to each their own. __________________________________________________ The AR series of rounds, ridding the world of 7mm rem mags, one gun at a time. | |||
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Bear Kodiak , Why dont you talk about medium bore rifles . We dont care about fighting with moderators, picking forum battles or any of that horse shit. | |||
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As I stated in my previous post. I crimp my 300WSM BAR. A BAR is an auto-loader and crimpning with the Lee Factory Crimp Die keeps the bullet in place during the violent cycling of the action. Crimping with the Lee Factory Crimp Die is about the easiest and less compicated thing there is. Load the round, set your die to the desired amount of crimp and run it through the press. The OAL of the brass is not a factor, the position or lack of cannelure is not a factor, very simple. There are many handloaders that use the LFCD in bolt guns as well. Lee claims that the LFCD will increase accuracy. Many here and on other forums believe this to be true. Give the LFCD a try, maybe you will find that it helps accuracy, maybe not. This is pretty much what I posted on the ShortMag forum and got booted off. | |||
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Bear Kodiak, You say that crimping "is not a procedure for anyone but experienced handloaders"? Well how much experience do I need to crimp my handloads? Do you think it's rocket surgury or something? You're sounding like the Short Mag Moderator. | |||
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Bear, I have also read on forums where guys are complaining cuz they wrongfully got banned from a site or posts deleted, but as most know on every site there are guys that are buttholes. Some use vulgar language, insult wives and such. So I always figured there are 2 parts to any story. I try to always post messages that my 9 year old can read without being exposed to something innappropriate and try to stay in clean taste even when others havent. This was not one of those deals, my incident was just the Moderator having a power trip and not wanting to allow others(ME) to express themselves unless its in line with his personal opinions and ideas, and it was BS, and I assure you the email I sent him post being banned explained that in one way or another if you know what I mean. | |||
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some of you guys are still missing the point and are misinterpreting my responses. Craigster, exactly how much experience needed is up to you. And if you are going to quote someone, quote the entire sentence, please. Ask yourself this, can you justify telling a first time handloader to crimp his shortmag loads from the get go? I'm just saying I don't see it that way and some experience in load development is needed first that's all. Steve4102, great answer. Exactly what I said, you have load experience and have a specific need/reason for crimping your loads. I'm not knocking that at all. In fact, I might just give the LFCD a try just to compare loads even though my need is less specific than yours. GSP7, you have made several replys on this thread and have mentioned nothing about medium bores at all. I have simply replied in direct relation to the original thread topic. POP, I'm sorry you didn't find a little sarcastic humor in those few sentences, and your posting of the offensive white trash picture is also against this forum's policies of only posting pictures related to hunting and shooting. That doesn't leave much in the credibility department. Paul H, I agree, it is CS. The only reason I responded is because I felt some of the statements to be out of line. What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public. | |||
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