I used to call them Mannlichers; but a buddy who is a long time Steyr fan assures me "NOT every full stocked rifle is a Mannlicher; but every rifle should be a Steyr Mannlicher"... I have to admit I DO like the look. Its just something about the image of wandering in search of Stag or Boar with a full stocked rifle.

The flip side is lots of guys are telling me the full length stock ruins accuracy. For a hunting rifle Im interested in "practical" accuracy as in "Minute of a Brisket" VS 5 shots inside a dime from a bench.

I have to admit the Ruger M77s are interesting, especially since the newest ones are stainless; but Im certainly not opposed to single shots. The Merkel Stutzen's are calling my name.

I don't believe I've ever owned or seen a full stocked rifle that was not "accurate enough" for hunting.

the ruger number 1 rsi is chambered for the . 257 roberts this year, A cool option, and you could most likely find one in .270 30,06 or with luck the 7x57,
...tj3006

My Wife's Merkel K3 in 7x57r drills nice 3/4" 100 yard groups...



My Remington M7MS in .257 Roberts does just as well.



There's nothing wrong with Mannlicher stocked rifles for the first few shots. Sure, beyond three groups definitely open up...but for any practical hunting purpose they work just fine.


(*PS: Edited because Idaho pointed out I should be shooting at 100 yards instead of 10...)

As long as the full-length stock is paired with a equally long handgaurd, you can bed the barrel so that the handgaurd makes a clamp fit. I did this with cork on my Mosin-Nagant. I'm in the middle of load devolopment, but the tightest group ast time out was load 7 of 10. Your mileage may vary.

I've often heard this myth also but my experience with 3 stutzens, a Blaser K95 7x57R, a Steyr-Mannlicher 30/06 Sprg. and a Sako 270 Win. - all put three inside a dime and 5 inside a quarter with pretty much any amunition.

Nah, didn't have any accuracy nor zero holding issues.

I had a new Ruger 77 RSI chambered in 308Win that wouldn't shoot under 5" at 50 yds. No matter what factory or hand load shot through it. I don't think this is typical of this style of rifle but that was my experience. BTW, I really liked the handling of this gun and would have loved it if it would have shot MOA or less, but alas......

Well, it is true that you won't find any competition benchrest rifles with Mannlicher (style, that is) stocks. There is nothing good that the extra wood can do for accuracy.

On the other hand, the (usually) short, stiff barrels of full wood rifles aren't so subject to the potential bad influences of the extra wood and are typically about as accurate as "half stock" hunting rifles.

I know that my experience with "Mannlicher" stocks has been that they shoot with accuracy similar to the same sporting rifle in a half-stock. But my total experience has been with three such pairs of "matching" rifles in full stock and half stock (.222, .243, .308) in Sakos; and as everyone should know, Sakos generally exhibit superior accuracy to begin with.

I have some experience (actually, quite a lot!) with a Steyr Mannlicher in 7x57, and I must say that it is the loveliest little thing to carry around all day (I shun slings). Handles like a dream, and shoots right straight too. Damn straight!

Many years ago, I bought a Sako Mannlicher stocked 375 H&H. It had the usual 20" barrel, and had been magna-ported (early eighties). Aside from the blast, it shot well. Inch and a quarter at 100yds with 300gr partitions.

Properly bedded and it a piece of properly aged and cured wood, you probably won't have any problems with any Manlicher ( a coined but acceptable term for any full length stocked rifle)

That said, the forend wood is thin and more acceptable to warpage as is any thinner piece of wood compared to thicker woods. The other side of this argument is thinner wood does not put as much pressure on the barrel as does thick wood, so take your choice.

For a strictly hunting rifle to be used in all sorts of big game hunting I much prefer the English 8 inch forend, its short and thus stiff and I have never had one shrink in 60 plus years of using them. Its just a better choice all around choice and more practical IMO.

As to beauty and grace, its hard to beat one of those little Manlichers, be it a Brno mod 22 (my all time favorite), a 1908 or thereabouts Manlicher shonauer. or the Ruger RSI...

I wish I had bought one of those SS Ruger RSIs in 250-3000 when they had a run on them..

My CZ550 mannlicher stocked 308 has no accuracy problems, maybe the shorter barrels at distance but inside of 200 yds it's plenty accurate

rnovi,

my Feinwerkbau 300 air rifle drills 3/4" groups at 10yds too.

Please tell us, you meant 100 and just left the second zero off...

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
rnovi,

my Feinwerkbau 300 air rifle drills 3/4" groups at 10yds too.

Please tell us, you meant 100 and just left the second zero off...

It's all about stalking in close, right?




(*Yes, 100 yards. Actually, the M7MS does 1.5" or better at 200. The 7x57 does 2" or better at 200...but it's my wifey's rifle - cut to her length - and I don't shoot it. Much. )

There are Full stocks and then there are full stocks !
Not everyone knows how to build accurate full stocks !

a barrel is a barrel ! if it reacts to uneven pressure or contact in a ordinary rifle the same would be applicable in a full stock so it takes some doing to build a good full stock.

My 358 Norma is was not a thing of beauty but it's a workhorse. Pre-64 with a 20" barrel ina MPI stock. Works great as a staff to pull my way up bear mountains,for some reason or another I just traded it for a Big Horn Armory 500 S&W,,go figure?

I kinda like 'em.

And in full disclosure, only one is a "Steyr" Mannlicher.

Top to bottom
35 Whelen,
308 Win.
7mm-08
7mm-08
270 Win.

Each one of the rifles above will do 1" at 100 with the loads I have crafted. However, I'm much more concerned with first shot out of a cold barrel. I have complete confidence in each of the rifles exhibited above to place that first shot within one inch of the POA, should I do my part.

I typically load Nosler Accubonds, with the sole exception being the 35 Whelen. The mag length (not the rifle chamber) precludes loading Accubonds. Consequently I typically load 225 Gr. Sierra Spitzers.

I have rifles that are capable of shooting 400 yds. I usually limit my shots to 150 yds with the full stocked rifles. I have made one shot with the Sako Bavarian Carbine,in 308 @ 350+ yds, but that was an unusual circumstance.




Merkel K1, 7mm-08




Sako Bavarian Carbine, 308 Win.




Custom Mauser 98, double set trigger, 35

The Sako in 7mm-08 and Steyr Classic in 270 are recent finds and although hunted at least one time each, the critters did not co-operate, so not hero shots or dead animal pix yet. LOL


I've also owned CZ full stocked rifles in 6.5 x 55 and 308 @Win. Each had the set trigger which I like. Each were fine shooters.

I'd say for hunting purposes at reasonable ranges Mannlicher stocked rifles work great, and if you like the warmth of wood..........


JAPPF,


GWB

I have an old Savage Model 10 in LH that was pretty well completely re-done: threads cut off front receiver ring and front ring tapped for conventional barrel attachment, and full stock of fiddleback maple. The rifle was done back in the 60s, with the open style basket weave checkering and epoxy finish on the stock. A gorgeous rifle, and I literally stole it: $545 to my FFL...

All that said, the rifle is chambered in "244 Rem" as stenciled on the barrel. Just to check potential, shortly after I got it, I bought a box of 100-grain "green box Remington" in 6MM and took her to the range. At 100 yards, the first five rounds went into one ragged hole.

This is probably the only rifle I own that I haven't worked up a load for. I really see no reason to; the factory Remingtons just shoot too well...

Those are some Beautiful Rifles guys,,Nice to see some Mannlicher Love on this Forum

The main reason some folks never have any problems or at least its a contributing factor is most Manlicher barrels are form 18 to 20 inches, most are #3 barrels and at 18 to 20 inches they are plenty stiff.

My most recent addition to my arsenal is a Ruger stainless steel, wood stocked, mod 77 Hawkeye International manlicher rifle in 30-06 and its quickly becoming a favorite of mine, my chronograph shows no loss in velocity with the correct powders and it extremely accurate, now if I can just find its match in a 250-3000..only problem is these guns are special runs of 250 or so for HALIFAX and a couple of other big stores. they sold out fast and no longer available unless you can find a used one and they are really expensive now.

I have a bunch of rifles with mannlicher style stocks. My favorite are the old Husqvarnas and the S&W Models D and E branded Husqvarnas. I think that the Ruger 77 RSIs tend to be butt-heavy, particularly the short action rifles, but think that they would balance a lot better with a 20" barrel. I put together a 77 RSI in 6.5x55 using a regular 77 Hawkeye with the barrel trimmed back to 18.5" and balances a little better with the slightly heavier barrel. I have five Interarms Mark Xs with mannlicher style stocks in a couple of different styles and think that they are OK, but a little heavy. I have shot, but not owned, a CZ 550 FS and didn't care for the stock at all, it just didn't fit me well and with a stalking rifle, fit and "pointability" is a pretty important consideration. The two rifles that I shoot the most with mannlicher style stocks are a couple of Remington Seven parts guns in 223 and 260.

While I like to look at rifles with mannlicher style stocks, the majority of my hunting is done with rifles that are stainless and have McMillan stocks.

sometime this year I am going to get Chris at Walnut Grove Gunstocks to cut a really nicely figured blank I got from him two years ago for a Mannlicher, and have a local wood guy make it into a 20" carbine. 9,3x62. I have been gathering the jewelry-like pieces Duane makes, Butt Plate, trap grip cap, etc.

The plan is to get it for my 66th B-day at the end of September. "Happy Birthday to Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!".

Well done, they make a gorgeous carry rifle.

My "pick up" every day 602 ZKK in 416 Rem Magnum

Great looking and great carrying rifles, but my issue is the short barrel makes the very noisy, and a 24" really cuts the noise and makes a rifle sit better and easier to shoot. But I am 6ft tall with long arms. What I do like about full stock rifles is the front sling position is well forward and much better to carry. On normal rifle front sling should be a barrel band a handspan back from the muzzle.

John Farner put together a VZ24 with a 21" barrel in 10.75x68 for me. I stocked it in a full length stock. It's trim and handy, shoots and looks like a beauty. It's one of my most favorite rifles.
That said, I doubt I will ever tackle stocking one again!!

I strive to never miss a chance to post my favorite rifle photo....

My 8x57 below. I was thinking of doing a 404 Jeffery in a 20" Mannlicher at some point. Talk about a brush gun!

right on, ForrestB...

That rifle deserves to be shown. Nice Deer as well.

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Originally posted by ALF:




My "pick up" every day 602 ZKK in 416 Rem Magnum

That'll leave a mark! Nice!

Alf:

I'm in love and in my favorite caliber. If you ever decide to part with her (fat chance I know) let me know.

wish I knew how to post my CZ550 with my Kudu taken in Africa last year

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Originally posted by ForrestB:
I strive to never miss a chance to post my favorite rifle photo....

Perhaps my all time favorite "gun and game" photograph. I covet that little 7x57!

I have two No.1's a 7x57 and a 257 Roberts.



The 7x57 was used to take this guy:

I love full-stock guns! I love how they look and how they handle. Would love to own a Steyr Mannlicher rifle at some point.

I have 2 CZ full stock guns. The 6.5x55 is one of the most accurate guns I own. Any ammo I find goes into an inch at 100. Never even bothered workiing up a load for it.

My .22 Mag will do 1.75" with ammo it likes at 100 yds.

I've always liked the looks of full-stocked rifles, "stützen" as they are called. Along the years, I bought 2 of them :

1. a Steyr-Mannlicher Luxus (all steel, incl. magazine) in 7x64. A beautyful rifle which had the vicious habit of having its zero wandering all over the place with every weather change. The only cure was to completely free the forend ; then the scope remained zeroed but the at the price of a rattling forend cap. I got rid of it asap.

2. a .22 LR 1418 Anschütz I still own. Same scenario as above. I removed the forend screw and the forend immediately pulled 2mm (.08") away from the barrel. Since, accuracy is top and zero stabilized. There being no metal forend cap, it's not rattling. I won't ever buy a stützen again...

How does that sweet little roberts shoot ?
...tj3006

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