I ask this question with the single shot guys and they gave me their answer. So now I am asking you. First which

would say is more accurate and has a stronger action out of a single shot rifle or a bolt actiion. Now I know that

with you as well as the single shot guys some of you shoot high dollar guns or have had them worked on, so lets

just say these guns are just normal out of the box guns. And lets say they are used for whitetail and black bear

hunting in the 300wsm or the new 325 wsm. Let know thanks.

IMO the bolt action is king in accuracy and strength although the singleshots are very strong usually....Ruger's is superbly strong....

You asked about the WSMs.....IMO they are orphens in the making....there's nothing wrong with the .300 mag or .338 mag and never was.

Front locking bolt action is the strongest action and the most accurate.

Dont know how big your black bear are but your white tail deer seem pretty small to warrant a 30 mag or bigger ?

I'm a big 7mm fan and would have a 7mm WSM today if I could afford it.

Tumbo I too am a 7mm fan and shoot one on a regular basis. But I have been using the300 wsm in a single shot.

I like it fine but wanted to get 325 wsm or like cal. in a bolt action. But did not want to over kill what I

hunted. The bears in the USA run up to 500 lb for black bear and the browns or a lot bigger. Our friends to the

north have bigger black bears than that . That is why I am planing a black bear hunt in CANADA .While I think

about it what bolt action would you go with. And guys same question which bolt action would you use?



P.S.

The deer I hunt run on a average of 160 lb to up over 200lb.

Personally I would not be hunting any 500lb animal that might decide to bite me with a single action and for that reason i'de definately choose a bolt action.

My choice of rifle would be Sako 75 or Tikka T3 then a Remington 700 but I dont think any of them chamber 325 WSM yet but the do chamber 300 WSM.

P.S. The deer I hunt would average 200 lbs and occasionally up to 350 lbs and I use a 243.

7 mag,

I believe in bolt actions for all the ussual reasons and wouldn't buy a single shot. Having said that, I can't imagine there is any practical difference between the 2 actions types for deer and bear hunting. No need to use anything other than what you already have. If you are looking for an excuse to buy another gun, that's another story. In that case, I'll say for the record only an idiot would think of hunting Canadian black bear with a single shot in .300 wsm. Carrying a bolt action in .325 wsm or bigger is the only way you are certain to return alive. Don't forget that if you are travelling all that way to hunt, you'll need a suitable back up gun as well.

Cheers,
Dean

I think it's easier to get a good bolt gun to shoot well vs a single shot but a properly set up Ruger #1 will shoot sub moa right along w/ a bolt gun. It's more a matter of style & the game you hunt. Nothing wrong w/ a ss rifle in the right hands.

It's probably cheaper and easier to build an accurate rifle with a bolt-action. Single-shots can be just as strong as a bolt-action but they lack the primary extraction one enjoys with a properly designed turn-bolt. There seems to be little advantage to using the short wide bottles in a single-shot; in fact the tapered and belted 300 H&H or tapered and flanged 9.3x74R may ease our concerns regarding extraction and are much classier looking to boot. Good hunting!

First I would never get a WSM, just because I can see absolutely no good reason too, not when other cartridges can do the job just as well, have for many more years, and this is all marketing driven development of "new" cartridges.

That said. I cannot see how a bolt action can be stronger than a falling block single shot like the Ruger no.'s 1 and 3. Look at the design of one of those and tell me what you think on strenght, the sucker has the barrel turned into a big chunk of steel, the cartridge is chambered directly into the barrel and then a large block of steel is raised into place behind it.

I'm no metallurgist, just from a looking at them standpoint I would bet it's stronger. I do think extraction is more positive on a CRF bolt action though, and for hunting it would be my first choice, bolt action that is.

Two things:

First- Accuracy I think is over-emphasized in relation to hunting rifles. Sure, in REAL life (as opposed to internet life where everybody shoots sub-moa regularly) there are guys that shoot sub-moa all the time. How many can do it without being at a bench? Now take offhand winded from a hike up or hike down in pursuit, or just excitement and other hunting conditions. You just made the accuracy harder. Rifles will often outshoot the shooter, now I remember my gunsmith saying to me once when I told him the rifle could shoot better than me "why?" meaning practice more. If a person is a really really good shot, then an off the shelf rifle is not going to do it except in a small fraction of cases.

I think therefore that either design would be fine for your purposes. I think a large factor in the single shot not being as accurate is that the barrel cannot be floated, the forearm being attached to it, but this doesn't mean they can't shoot well, maybe just not AS WELL.

Two- I think that not hunting Black bear with a single shot is bunk. I wouldn't hunt animals that absorb a lot of lead and still cover ground quickly with one (i.e. griz, buf, elephant), but a person that trains regularly with them can get fast, not as fast as a bolt gun, but surely fast enough for follow up shots. If a person is getting in close enough for a good shot, aiming carefully, they should be fine.

Single shots are a blast to shoot. I had a no. 3 in 45/70 for a few years and loved shooting it, as did everybody else. For off the shelf gun the ruger would be my single shot recommendation, and if you are really accuracy focused Savage would be my bolt action recommendation.

Red

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You asked about the WSMs.....IMO they are orphens in the making....there's nothing wrong with the .300 mag or .338 mag and never was.

I don't agree with the above statement at all. The belted bottlenecked cartridges are poor designs and more difficult to handload.

But there is no real advantage to a WSM in a #1. The beauty of the ss is you can have a long cartridge w/o worry about the action size. One of my #1s is a .338x74K, w/ a OAL of 4.00" it just looks way cool.