OK, What do you guys want the gun makers to make?

08 September 2003, 09:20

okie john

A true 98 Mauser with no "improvements." Build it in stainless, stock it in good synthetic, put a non-folding peep sight on the bridge so it will clear a low-mounted scope. Chamber it for the 308 family, the 30-06 family, and at least two of the following: 338-06, 358 Winchester, 35 Whelen, 9.3x62, 404 Jeffery. Also build a Magnum version for the 458 Lott, 416 Rigby, etc. I'll need four of them for starters.

Then I want Ruger #1's in 9.3x62, 404 Jeffrey, 30-30 and 303 British, and a stainless 5-shot Bisley in 357 Magnum on the Single Six frame.

Okie John

08 September 2003, 14:25

Wstrnhuntr

I dont really care what they make anymore. Just give me a good millsurp action to start with and Ill take it from there.

A true commercialization of the 338-06 would be nice though. Then, after I build mine the dies wont cost so much. [Big Grin]

It is interesting to me though to see a comeback of some of the really old chamberings due to the popularity of CAS. I dont partake of the event, but the revival of the obsolete is noteworthy IMO.

It would also be interesting to see one of the big names produce an over the counter ackley version. It would be a fitting tribute to his lifes work.

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08 September 2003, 15:25

Bobby

Allen Day, you took the words right out of my mouth. Way to go, I agree with it all.

08 September 2003, 16:50

Paladin45

How about a Sauer 202 in 300 WSM and a 24" barrel

09 September 2003, 03:42

sdgunslinger

I'd like to see Ruger build a standard grade rifle with an action long enough to handle the .375 H&H , .340 , maybe the 338 RUM , etc. . Give it a heavy enough barrel to weigh out at 9 to 9.5 lbs. scoped ..........

09 September 2003, 08:15

Deputy Al

Rant mode enabled.......OK, classic rifles and revolvers in classic calibers would be GREAT. The Winchester 86 and 92 brought back in the cool hyphenated calibers.....likewise the Marlin 94 and 95. NO MORE 45 COLTS or 450 MARLINS--spray paint to the Mona Lisa comes to mind here. The refried claw extractor Model 70's literally BEG to be built in 35 Whelen or 9.3 x 62, too.

Revolvers.......bring back the New Service and SAA in 44 Special and 44-40 WCF as well as 45 Colt. Likewise the S&W N-frames with classic 1950's profile, NOT that over-priced and well-nigh unusable Performance Center regalia. K-frames in 32-20 and 32 Magnum (again). I/J-frames in 22 LR (again).

Overall--classic multi-purpose firearms built the gun companies, they should quit chasing the niche markets and let gun owners adapt their skills to the game at hand and the arms available, rather than turning the hunting fields into a golf match with purpose-built arms for every imaginable venue--many of which only exist in the mind of the potential buyer.

09 September 2003, 09:00

Mikelravy

I would like Sears to sell the Belgian made Mauser action rifles they sold in the 60s. Better than anything sold today for $2,000.

09 September 2003, 11:01

Calif Hunter

I'll also go along with a handy bolt action in .358. Maybe a Remington Mountain Rifle or Model 7? (I'm getting a SA Montana Rifleman action and having them barrel it in .358.)

09 September 2003, 13:30

Lawdog_Gary

I would like to see Ruger bring out their M77 Magnum in the 1, 2, 3 Rigby punch. Offer it in the .350 Rigby and .450 Rigby to go along with their .416 Rigby. Lawdog

09 September 2003, 13:41

Wstrnhuntr

quote:
Originally posted by Mikelravy:
I would like Sears to sell the Belgian made Mauser action rifles they sold in the 60s. Better than anything sold today for $2,000.

I was just eyeballing an old JC higgins in a gun shop today. NICE! Smooth as my 03 Springfield but a true Mauser. I couldnt believe that they had a muzzle break on the end of that 270 though. They are still a real good action for building a custom.

09 September 2003, 23:41

boltman

I'd like them to spend an extra $20 bucks on a barrel instead of the $2 hammer forged crap they stick on current rifles. I'd also like them to start drug testing their employees so they could find some who can drill scope mount holes straight and not have the barrel point off at a 10 degree angle to the receiver.

I can go to home depot and buy a water valve for $5 that has tolerances held to ten times the precision of a $700 rifle from the major manufacturers. In this day and age of CNC machining it just ain't that hard to make something straight, yet it seems to challenge the major firearms manufacturers.

09 September 2003, 23:58

<eldeguello>

I want Ruger No. 1A's in .338/'06, .22 Hornet or .218 Bee, and also in .22 LR!

10 September 2003, 15:58

Cal Sibley

There's lots I would like to see, and it doesnt all involve new rifles. I'd like to be able to get a Remington without an 8 lb. trigger pull, a decent piece of walnut on a rifle (it's not in as short a supply as they'd like us to believe). I'd like to see more chamberings in .257Roberts, the restoration of the .222Rem. Mag., and the discontinuance of so many synthetic stocks. Like quite a few people I've all but given up on U.S. manufactured guns. Sako, CZ, Tikka, and even Howa
are more likely to come closer to the rifles I want. We just don't seem to learn, do we? Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

12 September 2003, 07:43

KMuleinAK

Would like to see Ruger offer the #1 in 500NE - would like to see CZ offer the 550 in 500 A Square or 500 Jeffery - would like to see all US manufacturers upgrade the quality of all current offerings, no flame directed at any in particular - KMule

12 September 2003, 09:24

Orion 1

quote:
Originally posted by Cal Sibley:
There's lots I would like to see, and it doesnt all involve new rifles. I'd like to be able to get a Remington without an 8 lb. trigger pull, a decent piece of walnut on a rifle (it's not in as short a supply as they'd like us to believe). I'd like to see more chamberings in .257Roberts, the restoration of the .222Rem. Mag., and the discontinuance of so many synthetic stocks. Like quite a few people I've all but given up on U.S. manufactured guns. Sako, CZ, Tikka, and even Howa
are more likely to come closer to the rifles I want. We just don't seem to learn, do we? Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

I haven't given up on American made guns, Cal, just on low cost hunting rifles. I have three of the four brands you mentioned.

I also have a fairly new Remington 870 that is a duck killer par excellence. I have a Remington 11-87 that is my favorite clays shotgun. I have a S&W 915 that is of excellent quality, as reliable as handguns costing twice. And I have a Rock River AR-15 that is nothing short of perfect. Its accuracy, trigger, machining, fit, and finish are all first class.

12 September 2003, 10:49

budiceale

i would like cz to make a scaled down(short action) version of the 550 that would actually fit the 308 winchester family of cartridges.

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13 September 2003, 06:36

z1r

A Marlin 94 in .32 H&R Mag. I think a 20" to 22" barrel with full length mag tube would be ideal. That oughta be good for at least ten shots before reloading.

13 September 2003, 17:41

Ted S.

Ruger #1 in 20 gauge

14 September 2003, 04:47

rootbeer

An affordable left-handed bolt action rig that comes with a long, thick SS barrel in all the happy calibers. Winchester claims to offer LH guns, but in just a few calibers and no SS. I have read posts herein from guys who paid a fortune and waited months for a piece of crap from USRAC. Why can't we lefties have a few choices? I should contact the ACLU and sue somebody over the limiting of my "right to choose." Until then, I'd like to see an LH Howa M1500.

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14 September 2003, 04:49

Kahluaman

I'd like to see one of the big manufacturers pick up the .376 Steyr.

17 September 2003, 10:56

Cal Sibley

I don't want to see anymore new models. I just don't feel we need them. I'd like to see the manufacturers clean up their acts on what is currently produced. Lets get back to a normal trigger pull and save me the money of having a gunsmith adjust it. Lets get back to SAAMI chamber specifications. I'm damn tired of not being about to reach the lands in a rifle. I'm also tired of seing 20" barrels on .308Wins. and even .30-06's. Ditto for the little sub six pound rifles they come on kicking the holy bejesus out of me. Rifles cease being fun to shoot in these conditions. Lets get back to making common sense rifles or we're going to lose this market to foreign manufacturers just like we did the auto market. Sako, CZ, Tikka and Howa are listening, and giving us what we want. Are the American companies listening? I think not, and the sales of the above mentioned 4 companies show it. It doesn't have to be this way. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

17 September 2003, 17:02

<Terry P>

I'd like to see Ruger build the 1A's with a 26" barrel in 270, 7X57, 30-06 etc. and replace the folding sight with a good rear sight........

Winchester should redesign the safari rifle stock for iron sight use.

I'd like to see Weatherby offer a mauser action custom rifle like the old Southgates.

Sako can throw away the "key lock system".....nice rifle except for that.

Cheers,
Terry

17 September 2003, 17:25

RMiller

A win mod 70 stainless in 375 weatherby with a 24" medium barrel at 8#. (instead of that varmint barrel they have on their 22" 375 H-H . The catolog says they weigh 7.25 lbs but they weigh 8.5 and its all barrel.)

17 September 2003, 17:46

WyoJoe

I would like to see Ruger have a custom shop like Remington & Winchester. In line with that I would like to see them offer the #1 in .500/.416, .470, & .500 NE. While we are at it I would like to see NEW double rifles in the $4,000 to $5,000 range.

17 September 2003, 18:50

Tiny

1-Win/Browning-.257 WSM not WSSM.
2-Browning A-Abolt Stalker .257 Roberts and 7x57mm.
3- Browing Abolts with 24" Barrel on the above and 270 - 3006.
4- Ruger to go back to the old "Tang" Saftey, they could also add a few 24" Barrels as the above.
5- I would like to see a Factory Rifle in 8x57mm.

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17 September 2003, 22:08

Deerdogs

quote:
Originally posted by Tiny:
1-Win/Browning-.257 WSM not WSSM.
2-Browning A-Abolt Stalker .257 Roberts and 7x57mm.
3- Browing Abolts with 24" Barrel on the above and 270 - 3006.
4- Ruger to go back to the old "Tang" Saftey, they could also add a few 24" Barrels as the above.
5- I would like to see a Factory Rifle in 8x57mm.

Tiny, Heym make a new factory rifle in 8x57. I have one in LH.

Regards

20 September 2003, 15:02

redial

I'd love to see CZ make their lines in lefty and the Remchesters made as well as in years past, but more'n anything I'd like to see ANYBODY redesign the basic bolt action to allow mounting a scope 3" forward of what's "normal" now.

Ever since Mr. Mauser configured his receiver and designers recognized the two rings as convenient places to affix mounts, we've had scopes placed so far aft that a correct, fundamental shooting position is next to impossible. The Scout idea isn't quite it. What I'm describing is kinda halfway between the Scout and traditional receiver mounting and uses regular "rifle" scopes.

Barring a complete redesign of bolt actions as a species, I'd like to see scope mount manufacturers make more available a Weaver rail that extends forward of the receiver.

Redial

20 September 2003, 16:06

Orion 1

quote:
Originally posted by redial:
more'n anything I'd like to see ANYBODY redesign the basic bolt action to allow mounting a scope 3" forward of what's "normal" now.

Ever since Mr. Mauser configured his receiver and designers recognized the two rings as convenient places to affix mounts, we've had scopes placed so far aft that a correct, fundamental shooting position is next to impossible.

AMEN to that Brother!

I have my scopes mounted as far as physically possible, and every now and then, if I allow myself to creep up the stock, I get whacked by the scope when shooting from a sling supported prone or sitting position.

20 September 2003, 20:34

Bwana-be

I think we need more calibers.
Sometimes the 280 Remington is too small, and the 30-06 is just too big!
How about a .296" for just those occasions.
And the same with cases. Sometimes the Rigby just seems too much, but the Jeffery is just a wee too wee. Maybe a .465" casehead.
And the boltthrow thing. Sometimes that 3.6" cartridge is just obscene, but you don't want that puny little 3.34" guy.
So, basically what I'm talking here is a 290 Magnum, .465" base, 3.37" COL, shooting a 172.5gr bullet at about 2963 fps.
That would be perfect.
Top it with a 4.5-13.5x45 Leupold, go kill anything in sight.

21 September 2003, 09:09

jrslate

Gentlemen,

I only want a few things from our gunmakers.

1.) A single shot in .303 British. It could be a Ruger No.1 or an NEF Handi-Rifle. I'm not picky

2.) A synthetic stock for my Marlin 1895G

I'm pretty happy with most everything else. I've bought several Rugers in the past few years and been very happy with the quality.

My S&W 629 is one of the finest made firearms I've ever seen, and the trigger is amazing.

21 September 2003, 22:16

Burkhard

A single shot falling block rifle in 300 Pegasus with a 28" barrel.

Or a Mauser magnum in 404 Jeffery.

22 September 2003, 00:47

Mike in SC

I would like:
Ruger #3 in .454 Casull or .480 ruger.

S&W model 17 with the old style barrel contour.

Winchester model 52 in a target grade.

Glock to make a .22lr pistol with a profile like the subcompacts, but thinner.

Someone come out with an annual model of "Wildcats" like Rem with their "Classic," something in 6.5-06.

22 September 2003, 04:09

<Savage 99>

Many good comments above.

I was thinking of trying a Kimber 84 M. They are a very small ring CRF bolt that goes less than 6 lbs with a 22" barrel. The action is really rough but the concept is there. What I am saying is that I don't think we need a full size M 70 for the .308 Win family of cartridges when a light sporter is considered.

Another thing is that it's overtime for Winchester to adopt pillar bedding and find a way to mass produce a commercial bedding and barrel support or freefloat system.

22 September 2003, 04:35

mstarling

I'd like to see a good, relatively inexpensive synthetic stock for the CZ 550 Safari Magnum. Would help in creating a more all-weather version of the rifle.

I'd buy a medium bore double rifle at a reasonable price (like a 9.3 x 74R or the .375 Flanged in the yet-to-be delivered IZH MP221). Hard to see the double rifle make a come back for the average hunter without a reasonable price.

22 September 2003, 11:30

beltloop

ALL RIFLES WITH INTEGRAL SCOPE MOUNTING SYSTEM.
ALL RIFLES WITH OPEN SIGHTS.
BROWNING BAR IN A STAINLESS 308..
MORE STAINLESS OPTIONS WITH OS.

MAGNUM CAL WITH MAG BARREL LENGTHS..

AN OCTAGON STAINLESS MARLIN IN 22, 357, 44M, 444, 450 AND 375, 356...ALL WITH 22" BARREL'S

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