Anybody have some load data for any of these components?

.323 dia

Rem Case

H4831SC
RL22

200g Speer sp
180g Barnes TSX
185g Rem Corelokt

These are just the components I have on hand right now. Those are probably the only bullets I'll use, but if you have a powder suggestion, go ahead and throw it my way.

Thanks

I have a 1946 Brno that likes H380 and the 180 gr TSX. Between 47 and 51 grs. You can search my posts for a lengthy discussion and a trip report where I used the 200 gr TSX in Africa to take 14 animals.

so far I tried 45 reloader19 and 200accubonds on 1 buck,dropped em in his tracks,about 70yds. exit wound was size of tennis ball. they load i trid was 45 varget and partition on another deer, he was about 150yds he fell instantly too. these 2 loads grouped around 1.5 if i remember right. these loads werent max. still trying to find the magic recipe.

I worked with 4831sc and got some very good results with the 185 Remingtons. I do not remember the load but it was toward the upper limit.Tried H4895 the other day with 175 Sierras
185 Remingtons and 195 Hornadys. Here is a group I shot with the Sierra bullet.

Look to H414 with the 200 grain bullet...
I'll have to wait till later to look up a powder charge for you, I'm away from home right now. But I think if you take the time to work up loads with H414 and the 200 grain bullet, you'll be pleased

If you PM me your E-Mail address I will send you all my 8mm data.

bartsche@sbcglobal.net

I had a buddy give me a German Mauser in October with 2 boxes of factory ammo. The factory ammo didnt shoot too well. I reloaded with rem 185's, powder if I remember, was IMR 4064 with MV of @ 2700 fps. I think it was pretty accurate @ 50 yds for a military firearm. After hunting season, I will work on 100 yd groups, which is fine for where I hunt here in NY state. I'm not home right now, but tomorrow I will be and can give you more info. I tried to post a picture of target below with this convaluted method of posting picts, I hope you can see it. Rifle has a garbage scope on it, with better optics I think it will perform even better.

Try BLC-2 with the round nose Hornady 170 grain and H4895 with the 180 grain Nosler Balistic Tip.

Loads worked up in a yugo 24/47, brno 98/22, and k98.

200gr speer hot core or nos/par, rem brass, fed 210 primers
54gr h4350 - vel 2550fps (23.5" barrel)

250gr woodleigh RN, rem brass, fed 210 primers
52gr h4350 - vel 2350fps (23.5" barrel)

I don't think its possible to reach dangerous pressures in this case with 4350. Both loads are very accurate in my rifles.

I've been wanting to ask this question for a while now so here goes. The 8x57 is always compared to the 30-06 and the numbers are very close (fps, fpe, bore size) but the wounds seem bigger and nastier with the 8x57. Granted my experiance is limited to 5 or 6 whitetails with the 8x57, either killed or seen killed. Has anyone noticed the same thing? What could this be attributed? Rifling twist? Slight increase in bore dia? Bullet construction? Or am I just seeing things?

Here are my chrony results and recipe for 8mm. Please work up gradually, what's safe in my gun may not be in yours.

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I've been wanting to ask this question for a while now so here goes. The 8x57 is always compared to the 30-06 and the numbers are very close (fps, fpe, bore size) but the wounds seem bigger and nastier with the 8x57. Granted my experiance is limited to 5 or 6 whitetails with the 8x57, either killed or seen killed. Has anyone noticed the same thing? What could this be attributed? Rifling twist? Slight increase in bore dia? Bullet construction? Or am I just seeing things?

With a bore size between .308" and .338", it is easy to see why the 8m/m lives on. One of my favorite loads:
185 Rem Core-lokt
49.5gr IMR 4895
WLR primer
COAL 3.010"

As for wound potential, the 8X57 has the advantage. .015" in diameter does make a difference, but the real reason why is the lower sectional density of larger calibre bullet. Try using 150s in a 308/30-06 and you will see gaping holes. With a S/D of .226, the 150 grain thirty closely matches that of the 170 grain 8m/m (S/D .233).

With a S/D of .271, the 180 grain thirty caliber bullet has a stellar reputation on several continents because it is well balanced. Few bullets in 8m/m match that, and jumping to the 220 grain 8m/m gives one a S/D of .301 and a rainbow trajectory.

I have never understood the 30-06 is better than the 8mm argument. Yes factory loaded 170 gr round nose 8mm loads are weak. But comparing the best of each leaves little in-between...take your 180 gr 30-06 going 2700 fps and my 200 gr 8x57 going 2650...less than 2 inches diffence in drop at 300 yards...8.18" drop for the '06 and 10" for the 8mm. Where is the rainbow trajectory? I've got an extra 20 grains and a little diameter edge when the bullet strikes home, not much of an edge, no game will ever know the difference. As far as I am concerned if you can tell the difference when shooting at game, you have no business on AR, you should be writing articles, books and hunting the world over for free...just for good measure, I have and shoot both, although my '06 prefers the 165 gr bullet.

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Originally posted by 450/400:
I have never understood the 30-06 is better than the 8mm argument. Yes factory loaded 170 gr round nose 8mm loads are weak. But comparing the best of each leaves little in-between...take your 180 gr 30-06 going 2700 fps and my 200 gr 8x57 going 2650...less than 2 inches diffence in drop at 300 yards...8.18" drop for the '06 and 10" for the 8mm. Where is the rainbow trajectory? I've got an extra 20 grains and a little diameter edge when the bullet strikes home, not much of an edge, no game will ever know the difference. As far as I am concerned if you can tell the difference when shooting at game, you have no business on AR, you should be writing articles, books and hunting the world over for free...just for good measure, I have and shoot both, although my '06 prefers the 165 gr bullet.

I have no beef with the 8X57. And as you pointed out, if there is a problem, it's because of the anemic ammunition found here in the states. A proper 196 or 200 can make the 8X57 the equal of the 30-06, but other than that the 30-06 flat out stomps the 8X57 by a solid 200f/s with 220s.

As for the 30-06 being superior to the 8, it is -witness the 8m/m-06 that refuses to die. I like the 8X57, heck I own more than a dozen of them.

The only chronographed load I have for the 220 gr A Frame in my 8x57 was going 2,350 fps. Remington factor loads for the 30-06 and a 220 gr corelokt states a muzzle velocity of 2,410.

For all practical hunting applications I do not believe that man nor beast can tell the difference. If all we are talking about is stats, then the crown goes to the '06.

The only reason I have a dog in this fight is because I picked up a very clean Brno 21h made in 1946 for $815 and started loading.

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The only reason I have a dog in this fight is because I picked up a very clean Brno 21h made in 1946 for $815 and started loading.

I have a Husqvarna 640 that's a joy to carry, but it kicks like a mule. The only downfalls are that loads must be regulated to it ...and I just can't bring myself to drill & tap it.

Thanks for all the replies everybody. Right now I only have two. One WWI era K98A that has all matching serial numbers on it. Got it for a steal, after a trade of some junk and 25 bucks, and a yugo m48 that I just finished sporterizing, still wanting to mount a scope on it and maybe a new trigger and safety. I've just really found a liking towards all of the mausers and expect to have many more in the future. Just looking for the loads I'm thinking of now. I plan on hunting some with my yugo, and am looking at mostly either 180g rem corelok or 185 tsx. The tsx is all I use in my 270 as it shoots sub half inch groups all day and all the deer I've taken with it dropped dead on the spot. I love that bullet.

Again, thanks for the responses

I've settled on one load in the short time I've been reloading for the 8x57: 46 grains of IMR 4064 behind a 195-grain Hornady.

Shoots good and gives me a respectable 2500 fps.

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Originally posted by buckshot:
... With a S/D of .271, the 180 grain thirty caliber bullet has a stellar reputation on several continents because it is well balanced. Few bullets in 8m/m match that, and jumping to the 220 grain 8m/m gives one a S/D of .301 and a rainbow trajectory. ...

.... A proper 196 or 200 can make the 8X57 the equal of the 30-06, but other than that the 30-06 flat out stomps the 8X57 by a solid 200f/s with 220s. ...

Compare the 180 gr bullet in the .30-06 with the 196/198 gr bullet in the 8x57 in the table below. Also, I beg to differ about the 220 gr bullets in the 8x57 being that much slower than 220 gr bullets in the .30-06.




Rifle: Ruger M77 Mk II in .30-06
My handload: 220 gr Woodleigh round nose at 2460 fps


Rifle: Remington Model 700 Classic in 8x57JS
My handload: 220 gr Woodleigh round nose at 2400 fps

IMHO, there are no flies on the 8x57JS's capabilities and performance. The Germans really knew what they were doing when they designed the cartridge. I'm a big fan of the .30-06 and have three rifles chambered for it but there is absolutely nothing wrong with the 8x57JS when it is loaded to its true potential. The 8x57JS is a true classic.

Cheers!
-Bob F.

I grew up with a 30-06. Was my first rifle. Was given a Mannlicher Schoenour (sp) 1956 in 30-06. Been one heck of a rifle.

I bought a surplus Yugoslav 24/47 8mm a while back. I must say that that the Yugo is impressive. I am still having a hard time achieving military ball ballistics in the rifle shooting the 200 grain speer bullets.

Rifle does exceptionally well. Small stumps at 150 yards just come apart with shots regularly. I hope to take a doe next fall with the rifle.

My 30-06 is scoped, but the 8 just has iron sights. I really like the 8. I think I like it more than the 30. I would like to get some of the Woodleigh heavy bullets. Rifle is a champ. Shoots quick and straight. I think it walks the dog on a 308.