I would want a bolt action, probably a Model 700, in .270 WSM or 7mm WSM, using a 140 or 150 gr Partition with a Leupold Compact 3-9 scope. I would like the weight to be as close to 6 pounds as possible.
Remington 700 Titanium, cal. 7mm-08, Leupold 1.75x6 Vari X III, Leupold silver QR bases and rings, Nosler 140 grain Partition loaded to 2900 FPS, weight 6 lbs 4 oz ready to go.
I've added a Timney trigger and Ultralight Arms 3 position safety and canned the j-lock bolt thingee, and replaced it with an aluminum bolt shroud, other than that the rifle is stock.
It's very light, accurate and fast handling, whereas I'm old and slow. An excellent "mountain rifle" for a flatlander.
I generally dislike Remington's, stainless steel, and glass stocks, but this one is outstanding.
Johan, I'd take my 700 S/S 7mm-08, with HS sporter stock, loaded with 150 MKs or 150NBT over 39grs. RE15, 3.5-10X Vari-XIII w/adj. obj., probably goes a little over 8lbs. Wicked accuracy, just my opinion, but, the 708 is one of the best cartridges ever devised. Jay
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Posts: 1745 | Location: WI. | Registered: 19 May 2003
Okay, I won't be shy. A Winchester thin-side highewall in .40-90SS, 30" #2 barrel, set triggers, regular sporting stock, weighing 8.5 lbs and the usual MVA 107 Vernier sight in the rear and Lyman 17A with Shaver bubble up front. Bullet in the 400 gr class paper patched of course.
Well you asked
Brent
Posts: 2257 | Location: Where I've bought resident tags:MN, WI, IL, MI, KS, GA, AZ, IA | Registered: 30 January 2002
I would recomend the Winchester stainless Classic with the 3x9 Vari X 3 scope. Either the 270WSM or 7MM WSM would be my choice of caliber. I would shoot the BST or Power Point Plus in 140 gr.
Johan, I made mine up in the "classic" style: Win. M70 thin, light wood stock w/ steel butt plate 23" ft.wt. bbl. in .280rem. Leup. 3-9comp. 150grNP @ 2950fps or 160grNP @ 2850fps
The hole rig weighs in @ 7 1/4# ready to hunt. It is a joy to carry all day in the mountains. I wish I had it in 2002 when I went to NZ for Tahr.
If Rem. would make their 700Ti in 7SAUM, I would buy one.
Remington 700 Titanium, cal. 7mm-08, Leupold 1.75x6 Vari X III, Leupold silver QR bases and rings, Nosler 140 grain Partition loaded to 2900 FPS, weight 6 lbs 4 oz ready to go.
I've added a Timney trigger and Ultralight Arms 3 position safety and canned the j-lock bolt thingee, and replaced it with an aluminum bolt shroud, other than that the rifle is stock.
It's very light, accurate and fast handling, whereas I'm old and slow. An excellent "mountain rifle" for a flatlander.
I generally dislike Remington's, stainless steel, and glass stocks, but this one is outstanding.
You asked.
Regards,
Bob
I agree but, make mine a .308..sakofan..and Zeiss Conquest..3.5-10x44
Posts: 1379 | Location: North Carolina | Registered: 11 March 2003
The 308 is also an excellent choice, although I'm not enamored with the Ziess, it is a excellent scope.
My main North Carolina go-to rifle(I noticed your from NC as well) is one you might like;
Sako AII custom, 358 Winchester, Shilen #3 Barrel 22", Leupold Sako low rings, Leupold Vari X III 1.75x6 w/heavy Duplex, 3 position model 70 type safety, mounted in a Brown Precision Kevlar stock, weight 7lbs 4 oz loaded.
WW case, 52 grains RL-12, under 200 grain Barnes X, Federal 210M primer, for 2626 FPS.
I love my Remington 700 Ti in .308 with Vari-X III 2.5 X 8. It weighs under 6-1/2 lbs with scope and sling. If I were limiting myself to antelope sized animals, I would probably go with a 7mm-08 version of the same gun.
Posts: 62 | Location: Wyoming | Registered: 16 June 2003
JOHAN, I have a Savage Sierra in 7mm-08 that I use 140 gr. Fail safes with that I think makes a perfect rifle for what you described. With a Burris 2X7 compact it weighs just under 7 lb. with a 20" barrel. Not the prettiest gun around but it does what I bought it for.
Posts: 2092 | Location: Canada | Registered: 25 April 2003
Stainless steel barrel and action either M70 or M700,with a high end synthetic stock. Spare all the new magnum bullshit and short action garbage that saves you very little in weight and gains you very little in distance. Chamber it for .270,.280 or .30/06 and be done with it. None of the animals you listed are tough to kill and the .270 would be just about as good as it gets. Why spend more money on an odd ball magnum that you can't find ammo for when in bum fuck egypt.
Posts: 837 | Location: wyoming | Registered: 19 February 2002
Sako AII custom, 358 Winchester, Shilen #3 Barrel 22", Leupold Sako low rings, Leupold Vari X III 1.75x6 w/heavy Duplex, 3 position model 70 type safety, mounted in a Brown Precision Kevlar stock, weight 7lbs 4 oz loaded.
Bob
I sure LOVE your taste in firearms,neighbor!!..sakofan..
Posts: 1379 | Location: North Carolina | Registered: 11 March 2003
I must be the oddball here. I use a .300 H&H with a 26" heavy sporter weight barrel w/ a Leupold 3X9 Vari-X II. This whole rig weighs about 10.5 lbs. I use it for antelope on the flat lands and when I am going for deer & elk about all I do is mt. hunting. It has been to the top of Battle Mt. more times than I can count. Also quite a few times up & down Sheep Mt. The weight has never bothered me and the only shape I am in is round. Once in a while I use horses but most of the time it is hiking. I have carried this rifle for up to 10-12 miles through the hills in one day. It might get me flamed but it is my contention that a mt. rifle does not have to be light. I would rather have one with a little weight to it to help absorb the recoil.
What you do is have Melvin Forbes build you an ULA in what ever cartridge you like. One of his new ones in 270 WSM and a 24 inch barrel would be the ticket. mount a fixed 6 x 42mm scope and the whole thing would come in at just 7 lbs. Mine is a M-24 chambered for the 6.5 x 55 swedish. fixed 6 x 42 mm Leupold. 24 inch # 2 contour barrel. It will put 4 125 gr Nosler Partitions into about an inch at 200 yards. It worked great on the last Dall Sheep I shot. Light Accurate and light recoil. Flat shooting too. If I was going to have Mel build me another, I think a 270 WSM or just a 270 Winchester would be just peachy.
Posts: 1070 | Location: East Haddam, CT | Registered: 16 July 2000
I like my pre 64 M-70 Win. 300 H&H, with 200 gr. Noslers at 3000 FPs... I stocked it in 1958 I think, has a 4X leupold in Talleys and good iron sihts, and weighs 9.5 Lbs with its 26" barrel, it has served me well over the years on many a mountain hunt, and I can shoot it when breathing heavy....I tried a couple of featherweights but they just didn't suit me.
Posts: 42314 | Location: Twin Falls, Idaho | Registered: 04 June 2000
Not to be obvious or boring, but get a Huskvarna 1640 in 6.5x55, a good 4x scope and Norma factory ammo. Then the only other rifle you need is the same thing in 9.3x62.
When I went this route, I had a Winchester Featehrweight with a factory laminated stock in 30/06 ( got used with a shot out barrel and a 6.5 x 20 Leupold scope for $500.00 so I did well).
Rebarreled it to a 26 inch barrel in 6.5 x 55, with a Leupold 3 x 9 with a Dot reticle.
Flat shooting, low recoiling and the 6.5 bullets give me a lot of confidence for penetration and accuracy.
If I had to just buy factory off of the shelf, Remington Model 700 Mountain Rifle with a Laminated Stock and Stainless Steel barrel in 260 Rem or 7/08 Remington. ( since it is not availabe in 6.5 x 55 or 7 x 57)
quote:Originally posted by Orion 1: Blaser K95 in 270 Winchester with a Leupold Vari-X III 1.5-5X20.
Good God I nearly agree with Orion1!
K95 in 6.5x57R with special order 26" barrel and Swarovski 6x42 on special low mounts.
Isn't the standard barrel already 25" long?
Anyway, my choice of cartridge and scope reflect the realities of North American hunting. No hunting in the middle of the night and try finding a box of 6.5X57R in Wyoming.
Though, if the Swaro 6X42 doesn't weigh over 16 oz, I might go for it.
Posts: 2206 | Location: USA | Registered: 31 August 2002
for mtn game where you could get a crack at a trophy grizz! ruger 77 short action control feed "lightened" 20" stainless barrel "light" hightec syn stock 2x-7x scope compac 350 rem 225gr part @ 2600fps good out to 300yds mine will be complete next week!
Posts: 120 | Location: yukon | Registered: 11 July 2002
I still think that Jack O'Connor's basic mountain rifle recipe is about as good as it gets for sheep-size game, and such a rifle can take in a lot of other hunting as well:
A compactly-scoped bolt rifle in .270 Win., 7X57, .30-06 or .280 Rem. with a 22" barrel that finishes out at 8 lbs. or less, loaded and ready to hunt. I still don't know how you can go wrong if you follow that general formula.
quote:Originally posted by allen day: A compactly-scoped bolt rifle in .270 Win., 7X57, .30-06 or .280 Rem. with a 22" barrel that finishes out at 8 lbs. or less, loaded and ready to hunt. I still don't know how you can go wrong if you follow that general formula.
AD
Pretty much what I have. Howa 1500 30-06, B&C FG/Kevlar stock, Weaver K4. 8 lbs. 4 oz with an M1907 sling.
Still, my dream mountain rig is what I described above.
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Posts: 2206 | Location: USA | Registered: 31 August 2002
This may get some laughs but I dont care, if I were going on such a hunt in the morning I would grab my '99E 300 savage with a Weaver scope weighing in at just over 6 lbs, it is only 100 fs behind a 308 with 165 grn bullets and just as accurate. Its my favorite mountian rifle. It packs like a pistol and punches like a prize fighter.
Posts: 10190 | Location: Tooele, Ut | Registered: 27 September 2001
I used to use a Mann./Schoenauer .270 carbine with Leupold fixed 6X scope, and thought it was the perfect mountain rifle. I wish I had it back. But am now "making do" with either a Ruger No. 1A in 7x57mm with Leupold 2X-7X scope, or a Ruger 1B in 7mm Rem Mag. with fixed Kahles 6X scope.....
If you should hunt the moutains for Sheeps, ibex, gems/chamois, markhors, thar and other animals in simular size.
What type of rifle would you use and how much would it weigh? Which caliber, bullet weight? What type of sight/scope for such rifle?
Don't be shy
/ JOHAN
Johan, there is quite a bit of difference in weight and toughness of the animals you mention. An Ibex or a Markhor calls for quite a bit more gun than a chamois, the outfitters in NZ often site the Thars as tough animals, an Argali sheep is a different proposition than a Dall sheep. If you want a caliber to do it all, my choice would be a big .300 (of some sort) that you can handle well, or if you can handle the additional recoil a big 8 (8x68S or 8mm Rem Mag). Use enough bullet to ensure you get the job done: 180 grs and up in the .300, 200 grs and up in the 8mm's. Stay away from boattails - unless you can find one that actually sticks together.
Rifle weight is a very personal issue. Light is nice to carry, heavier is easier to shoot well and recoils less. Use a tough stock - either a laminate or a synthtic. Guns and scopes with matte finish show up a lot less...
Scope: something like a 2.5-8, 2.5-10, 3-9 or a 3.5-10, maybe even a 4.5-14 (??). Probably no reason to go much over a 40 mm objective lens, and less will do fine. Choose a first class brand scope in the sturdiest mounts, and bring a back-up scope.
- mike
Posts: 6653 | Location: Switzerland | Registered: 11 March 2002
I would have to agree that is a big spread especially when you go as small as the chamois and thar. I hunt with a guy we call Kiwi for obvious reasons...he really likes the 25-06 for thar and chamois, for Ibex and argalli though I would think that a 270 , 280 or any of the 7's would be fine there is no need to go 30 bore on them . Save the 30 bore stuff for grizz and brownies. look into some of the new short action stuff to keep the weight down and maintain preformance , and I would think that a lupie 6x42 would be enough with talley lt/wt rings and bases Good luck in your pursuit's.
Posts: 57 | Location: Long Island NY | Registered: 21 June 2003
Anyway, my choice of cartridge and scope reflect the realities of North American hunting. No hunting in the middle of the night and try finding a box of 6.5X57R in Wyoming.
Though, if the Swaro 6X42 doesn't weigh over 16 oz, I might go for it.
Orion 1
The standard barrel is 23.6 inches long. 0.6inches of that is the barrel lock up so it's a 23" barrel as stock - plenty long enough but a couple of inches should improve the balance and elevate the muzzle above my head when slung (should I trip)
The Swarovski 6x42 weighs 12ozs and in a 4 reticle has a good fine cross hair (with 3 thick bars quite close to the cross) for longer range shooting on mouflon, sheep etc.
I take the point on calibre availablility but if the ammunition is hard to get hold of I hate to think how you will get the rifle!
Posts: 2258 | Location: Bristol, England | Registered: 24 April 2001
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