What do you guys think? .308 winchester and 300 win.magnum thought about giving these a try. How will they hold up only experience I have is on deer at close range with a 270 win. done it's job well there. 165 gr. for the 308 win. and 180 for the 300.

I would opt for a little tougher bullet and go with the Accubond or Hornady Interbond.

Accuracy problems are the reason for entertaining the idea of these particular bullets. The 300 is doing ok with 180 grain xxx shocks 1 3/8" it's the 308 that is giving soso accuracy 180 gr. partitions. Lower velocities w/165 and the 308 win was wondering if these bullets would perform good.

keep the MV down below 2700 fps, and it will perform just fine....

however, if you must go above that MV, take the Accubond... and you just have a ballistic tip with a heavier core to take the higher velocity is all...

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seafire

Would like to try some accubonds in my .308 but nobody loads them. I don't handload but hope i can get started soon. They skip the 308 alot when it comes to premium loads for hunting heavier game. What do you guys think of 150 gr. xxx shocks, my rifle does shoot those well. Would those be to light?

Your heading, "Nosler solid base BT" confused me at first. Then I realized that what you are talking about is the Nosler Ballistic Tip.

Although these tend to be very accurate, I think they are too fragile for best results on elk. The Accubond or Partition would be much better.

As for accuracy, I haven't tried them in a .308, but Accubonds in some other calibers give superb accuracy, and they are definitely tough enough for elk.

I used the old Nosler Solid base lead tip for years. They were fine from my 7mm for deer and smaller. I would not have used them on Elk they just blew up to easy.

Likewise I think the current BT are a little on the fragile side. They might work at 308 velocity but I doubt at 300mag velocity. I've had excellent results with the Accubond. Shoot as good as the BT and hold up as well as the PT.

I would never use one on something as large as an elk. I used them extensively when they came out years ago, and made some of the most impressive one shot kills I have ever seen. The first three animals I shot literally fell straight down, not over. However, all were chest hits through thin flesh areas. None exited and the bullets completely disintegrated, completely mushing the lungs. After viewing the results, I quit using them for the simple reason that I didn't believe they would penetrate on a bone or raking shot sufficiently to cause a lethal wound.

IIRC, Nosler used to advertise the Solid Base as "the best 'Deer Bullet'"....to me that answers your question.

The NBT is a fine deer bullet but if the 150gr X shoots well in your rifle, I would choose that for elk. They are tougher than most deer hunters think.

I've used the ballistic tip since it was new, and before that I used the solid base. I find it a much tougher bullet than most think, especially in the heavy for calibre choices. Take Nosler's 200 grain .338 for example, it ain't no varmint bullet that is for sure. I admit I use their 250 grain partition for elk, but the 200 grain ballistic tip has left no doubt in my mind that it's effective on everything under 350 pounds.

BT's as an elk bullet? In .375, sure. In .358 maybe. In .308 180 grain (made with heavier jackets than lighter ones) at .308Win velocities, with perfect broadside presentation on a cow, maybe. Anything less, no. They expand too fast so I would be afraid of inadequate penetration on elk sized critters at 300 Mag velocities. Recent personal use shows me that the current 180's are tougher than 165's at the same velocity.

BT's are a GREAT deer bullet, but not intended for elk sized animals. In my experience that is exactly the proper way to use them too.

OK, I'm confused when you say "Nosler Solid Base BT", do you mean Solid Base Boat Tail or Solid Base Ballistic Tip?

olarmy,
The solid base I was referring to was the direct predicessor of the ballistic tip. It isn't my intent to sell the ballistic tip as an elk bullet, rather I was trying to make the point that it isn't a flimsy varmint bullet that some pass it off as. It is a great bullet when not pushed to magnum velocities.

Lots of good advice above and they all correctly say the same thing, not a good idea on Elk in .308. Nosler will tell you that the jacket thickness thickens significantly on .338 on up and those are okay. I think in .308 the bonded bullets (especially the Hornady since they are alot less $ than the others and retain more wt than the Nosler bonded) are a very good choice (I have posted pics of recovered bullet under Big Game, "Interbond Elk Bullet").

Deke.

I load the 180 grain nosler balistic tip for my hunting partners 300 win mag. One shoots a bar and the other modle 70.
One of them has taken 4 or 5 Elk with the loads and been very happy with the results.
If you shoot through the shoulder I would go for either the Partition acubond or the X bullet.
But if you aim behind the shoulder you will probably be fine with the balistic tip...tj3006

If you don't load your own and are looking for factory loads in .308 Winchester that would be suitable for elk, why don't you try the Remington Core-Lokt Ultra Bonded. They are available in both 150 and 180 grains in loads for the .308 Winchester. I don't know who makes the bullets for Remington, but they look -- at least on paper -- as if they would be near-perfect for elk.

For whatever it may be worth -- which is frequently not much, as these things go, because actual measured velocities are often lower than publishes specs. -- the Remington catalog says the 150 grainer starts out at a muzzle velocity of 2820 f.p.s. and the 180 grain one at 2620 f.p.s.

Remington also loads the 165 gr. Swift Scirocco Bonded in loads for the .308 -- published muzzle velocity is 2700 f.p.s. That too should be near-perfect for elk.

Sorry guy's I meant solid base boat tail I'm not a fan of ballistic tips although they shoot well. Ballistic tips kill deer fast but they leave gaping holes in our small deer in east texas. I was curious if anyone had tried the solid base bullets on elk at the slower velocities of the 308 win. Tried scirrocos 150 and 165 they didn't shoot well. Think i'll stick with xxx shock's if the mrx's don't make it out in time or don't shoot well. Maybe I'm asking to much I have limit on ammo at 1 moa or at least that's what I call good but will give a little for a tough bullet.( like in the 300 mag.)

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Originally posted by raybass:
What do you guys think? .308 winchester and 300 win.magnum thought about giving these a try. How will they hold up only experience I have is on deer at close range with a 270 win. done it's job well there. 165 gr. for the 308 win. and 180 for the 300.

How would the SBBT be any different from the version with the plastic point instead of swaged lead?? I believe they'd be about the same, since only the point is different.