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I will take delivery of my 6.5x284 soon. This particular rifle will have a 1-8 twist. I am considering a couple more 6.5 calibers so I need some advice since this diameter is new to me. The following quote is from a prominent barrel maker and I'd like your thoughts:

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For 6.5 I use 8-3/4 twist for the 260 an like cases. This works down to 2600 for 140 grain bullets. For 6.5 x 284 I use 9.1 twist.

On the 6.5 I have shot that for years. Started with 6.5 x 08 long before there was a 260. I found that bullets like the 140 Amax or the 142 Sierra shot very well down to 2600 ft/sec in 8-3/4 twist. The best all around is a around 2725 to 2750. You can shoot a 260 over 2800 but found it could cause problems like increased fouling and jacket damage.

Stability is a function of length measure in calibers. This gives you a way to get some comparison across the board. Now thing of a piece of metal tied to a string. Spin it around your head. The farther out the string is let to go the more the pull on it. Bullet stability is a function of centrifugal force so change in bullet diameter and launch speed change the force to keep it stable. You have to thing of revoultions per second.

I've made a chart based on my experience over many years and calibers. The 6.5's 140-142 at around 2950 corrected from the 260 velocities at 8-3/4 twist to 9.3 twist. I got gearing for this but simply have got it finished. My regular 9 twist is actually 9.08 so I call it 9.1 and these barrels have worked very well.



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Doc, I shoot 9 twist in all of mine with no problems at all. 6.5x55, 6.5-06AI, 264WM and 6.5-284Win all have 9 twists with no problems, (I forget what the standard Remington 260 twist is) but I don't shoot bullets heavier than 142 grains. Don't see the need. I have barrels from both Douglas and Lilja on all but the 260 and they work fine.

I know others have had other problems with the 9 twist, but not me.


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I was considering a 260 Remington. So, now the question becomes, do I go with a 8-3/4 twist or the 9.1 twist?

I think the largest bullet I'd shoot would be a 140, but will be giving the 130 AB a try as well.


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My 6.5-06 and 6.5-284 both have 1:8.5" twist barrels, and I an happy with both.
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I normally recommend 8, but on an '06 or 284 case, a 8.5 is commonly used and should be considered due to pressure as well as spin.
 
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I recommend a 1:8.

In rounds such as the .260, anything slower than 1:8 will be borderline should you decide to shoot something like the 140 grain A-Max or some of the Berger VLDs.

Keep in mind that you can't, within reason, overstabilize a projectile, but you can certainly UNDERstabilize one... Smiler


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I forgot to add that my 1:8 barrels shoot everything -- from the stubby Sierra 85 grain HP through the various 140s -- with extreme precision. The faster twist is NOT a hindrance to light bullet accuracy.


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Unfortunately, 8 twist is not an option. Only the 2 I mentioned.

Either 1-8 3/4 or 1-9.1, that's it.


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Doc, I assume this will be a game rifle and as such I would want the faster twist. My 6.5/284 is a 1 in 9 and I was told at the time (reading PS etc.) that it might not stabalize the 140's. Bah Humbug... sure does. I am not confident that the .260 can get the speeds claimed without major pressure, as my 27" Hart has +P+ to reach the 3,000+ level with the 140's. I would have gone to a 1 in 8 as Bobby Tomek mentioned above.






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Well, I will probably stick with the 120-130 bullet wt range anyway.


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If I couldn't have a one in 7.5, then I'd take the closest thing to a 1 in 8 as humanly possible...


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I would go with the 8 3/4 twist.I am on my fourth 260,2 rem with 9 twist,ruger with 8 twist and a shilen barrel with 8 twist.The first one rem mtn rifle shot fair with up to 140 gr bullets,sold it because I wanted a 24 in barrel,ruger with 8 twist would shoot the 140 well,the 24 in rem bdl is a tack driver with 120 and less but only fair with 125 gr up.The shilen 8 twist so far has shot everything I have tried in it,85,120,140,142.My buddie gave me some 160's to try in it last week,I loaded 5 with R-19,but by the time I got to the range I only could find 4,never did find the 5th one.The 4 at 100 yds shot a 1/2 in group so the 8 twist should do well up to the 160 gr bullets.
On the berger box it says 1:9 or faster with the 140's I haven't tried them in my rem bdl but plan to when I get around to it.
I tried a box of the 130 acc-bonds in my rem bdl last year with different powders but never got an acceptable load with them.
 
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Given those two, I would opt for the 8-3/4 if it was my rifle.

While I have shot and loaded lots of 140-144 grain bullets in all of mine without an issue, I really don't see the need for 90% of what I shoot. I shoot a lot of 100-129 grain bullets so I just pick which bullet my particular rifle likes the best and go from there.


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