My Blaser sports a Swarovski 2,5-10x42 and the Sendero a Leupold Vari-X III 3,5-10x50.

I had a nice 300 Wby for awhile and shot some whitetail, mule deer and one elk with it..I needed some money for a horse, and decided to sell it or my 300 H&H, sold the WBY and kept the H&H...Loaded to max on both gave the WBY about 100 FPS average, and the rifle was not as handy as my old 300 H&H...

For the most part there is little difference in velocity of any 30 cal. magnum, check your reloading books, even the RUMs etc show a surprisingly little difference unless one is a "velocity squeezer" and the difference in trajectory is zilch.

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Originally posted by Andre Mertens:
My Blaser sports a Swarovski 2,5-10x42 and the Sendero a Leupold Vari-X III 3,5-10x50.

Good scopes

Ovny.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
I had a nice 300 Wby for awhile and shot some whitetail, mule deer and one elk with it..I needed some money for a horse, and decided to sell it or my 300 H&H, sold the WBY and kept the H&H...Loaded to max on both gave the WBY about 100 FPS average, and the rifle was not as handy as my old 300 H&H...

For the most part there is little difference in velocity of any 30 cal. magnum, check your reloading books, even the RUMs etc show a surprisingly little difference unless one is a "velocity squeezer" and the difference in trajectory is zilch.

I will not give more laps in the lead and I'm going to enjoy what I have that is what allows me my salary. No more no less.

Thanks

Ovny.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
I had a nice 300 Wby for awhile and shot some whitetail, mule deer and one elk with it..I needed some money for a horse, and decided to sell it or my 300 H&H, sold the WBY and kept the H&H...Loaded to max on both gave the WBY about 100 FPS average, and the rifle was not as handy as my old 300 H&H...

For the most part there is little difference in velocity of any 30 cal. magnum, check your reloading books, even the RUMs etc show a surprisingly little difference unless one is a "velocity squeezer" and the difference in trajectory is zilch.

I went up to a .300 RUM, partly because I was curious and partly because a friend gave me a custom Sako for a giveaway price. You're right, for a whole lot of buck and roar I got a whole 150 fps real world increase in velocity over a Win. Big deal. I had to rework the loads at 600 rounds because accuracy dropped. It appears that the barrel is just going to be a passing acquaintance.

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Originally posted by Dogleg:

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
I had a nice 300 Wby for awhile and shot some whitetail, mule deer and one elk with it..I needed some money for a horse, and decided to sell it or my 300 H&H, sold the WBY and kept the H&H...Loaded to max on both gave the WBY about 100 FPS average, and the rifle was not as handy as my old 300 H&H...

For the most part there is little difference in velocity of any 30 cal. magnum, check your reloading books, even the RUMs etc show a surprisingly little difference unless one is a "velocity squeezer" and the difference in trajectory is zilch.

I went up to a .300 RUM, partly because I was curious and partly because a friend gave me a custom Sako for a giveaway price. You're right, for a whole lot of buck and roar I got a whole 150 fps real world increase in velocity over a Win. Big deal. I had to rework the loads at 600 rounds because accuracy dropped. It appears that the barrel is just going to be a passing acquaintance.

I'll settle for the 300 Win Mag.

Ovny.

Ovny,
You asked about bullet weights, well, I use the same weight for everything in my hunting rifle, that being the Nosler 180gr Accubond.
In my LR rig, based on a Sendero II, but with a different HS Precision style stock, I run Nosler 200gr Accubonds. I was runnibg 210gr Berger, but supply is spotty.

If these are available, I would use the 180gr Accubond.

Cheers.

If we can find ammunition .300 Winchester Magnum with 180 points grains. What if verdar that in Spain. Ammo is very expensive.

Thank you

Ovny.

Wow, I loved knowing that the preferred cartridge "legend"; the ill-fated sniper Chris Kyle; was the .300 Winchester Magnum. That gives an idea of the cartridge in good hands is simply lethal. Obviously to achieve this distance shots must use specific weapons, heavy guns, excellent optics and most importantly be an exceptional shooter. Serve this post as a tribute to marine Chris Kyle.

Regards,

Ovny.

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That gives an idea of the cartridge in good hands is simply lethal.

Any rifle/scope/cartridge combination in the hands of an Experienced/Competent shooter is lethal.

The best rifle/scope/cartridge combination in the world, if there is such a thing, is only as good as the abilities of the person holding it and squeezing the trigger.

Well don't tell Jeffe, but I run my 2 old 300 H&Hs with a 200 gr. bullet at 3020 FPS average of 10 shots with the high and low taken and 2900 for the other one..He will have a spasam on that..but brass lasts at least 12 loadings and up to 20 if I heat'um up every time I reload them. That's been my go to load for the medium big stuff including a couple of big, bit stuff, for about 50 or more years now. I recently sold my old mod. 70 pre 64 with a nice but mighty worn custom stock..I have regretted that, it held a lot of memories..

Bottom line is one 30 caliber magnum is a good as another..

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

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That gives an idea of the cartridge in good hands is simply lethal.

Any rifle/scope/cartridge combination in the hands of an Experienced/Competent shooter is lethal.

The best rifle/scope/cartridge combination in the world, if there is such a thing, is only as good as the abilities of the person holding it and squeezing the trigger.

Totally agree with you. I also think that the most important factor in the binomial weapon (included viewfinder) and shooter is the latter. Obviously having a good tool helps achieve better results.

Ovny.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
Well don't tell Jeffe, but I run my 2 old 300 H&Hs with a 200 gr. bullet at 3020 FPS average of 10 shots with the high and low taken and 2900 for the other one..He will have a spasam on that..but brass lasts at least 12 loadings and up to 20 if I heat'um up every time I reload them. That's been my go to load for the medium big stuff including a couple of big, bit stuff, for about 50 or more years now. I recently sold my old mod. 70 pre 64 with a nice but mighty worn custom stock..I have regretted that, it held a lot of memories..

Bottom line is one 30 caliber magnum is a good as another..

I would love to own a classic rifle in the cartridge 300 H & H Magnum. I think a very balanced cartridge with old flavor. Enjoy the cartridge

Ovny.

Ovny,
I suppose if there is a down side to the old 300 H&H, it has to be brass stretching, but I neck size to the shoulder and it minimizing that to some extent..The upside is ease of feeding and more importantl is extraction, that sloping case will always extract, even a blown case is easy to extract, just use a 45 caliber brush, run it in and pull it out, but that has only happened once with me in many years. On another occasion I had a friend blow a case into, I reached in with my little finger and pulled it out, saved the hunt, as client then went and finished off his buffalo..I doubt that I could have done that in a different less tapered caliber. MY brass lasts up to 8 or 10 loading with about 4 trims along the way.

I guess the bottom line is I just live with it, and it doesn't bother me at all, and I love the nostalgia of that old cheap Rem 721, my only pushfeed.

Mr Atkinson:
I think you enjoy a wonderful cartridge, with lots of history; which as we all have virtues and faults. I consider it a means, well balanced with a soft shot similar to 30-06 but with some features that are closer to the .300 Winchester Magnum cartridge. Regards,

Ovny.

Surely I never can go catch a Marcopolo or Bighorn sheep but I'm always curious whether my old rifle Santa Barbara 24 "barrel and cartridge .300 Winchester Magnum could face the hunting of these rams or rather of all sheep that inhabit the world. Obviously with a suitable viewer or would have to choose cartridges as the 30-378 Weatherby or similar in ballistics.

Thanks

Ovny.

Ovny, the North American Bighorn sheep are not hard to kill. The hardest part of sheep hunting is getting a tag.

I was lucky enough to have lived here in Montana when for $25 we could buy an OTC bighorn sheep tag in one of the Unlimited tag units every year.

Most of these units were in remote wilderness areas, but I managed to kill 4 bighorn rams. I shot all of these rams on DIY solo hunts.

In the late 90's I also went on a Dall sheep hunt in the Mackenzie mountains in Canada's Northwest Territories, and killed a beautiful ram.

All of these rams were one shot kills with my .257 Ackley rifle shooting 117 grain Sierra GameKing bullets.

Put a bullet from your .300 Winchester in the right place, and you wouldn't have any problem killing any ram in the world.

I have read and heard that the problem especially in Asia is the distance to do the shots and so many hunters choose cartridges as the 30-378 Wth alluded or 300 RUM. Another animal that I like is the pronghorn.

Regards

Ovny.

I have had several of each and direct involvement with many others.

I would put the 300 Wby about 100 f/s above the 300 Winchester. I think for some shooters the big gain is a mental one and because the 300 Winchester generally (26" barrel) tops out at the 2950-2970 with 200 grainers and the 300 Wby easily cracks the "3000" and is 3050-3070.

From 30 to 375 the RUM case seems to gain about 100 f/s over the 300 Wby case size and the 378 case is about another 100 f/s over the RUM case.

This observation is based on many rifles. Some do better some not as well.

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Originally posted by Michael McGuire:
I have had several of each and direct involvement with many others.

I would put the 300 Wby about 100 f/s above the 300 Winchester. I think for some shooters the big gain is a mental one and because the 300 Winchester generally (26" barrel) tops out at the 2950-2970 with 200 grainers and the 300 Wby easily cracks the "3000" and is 3050-3070.

From 30 to 375 the RUM case seems to gain about 100 f/s over the 300 Wby case size and the 378 case is about another 100 f/s over the RUM case.

This observation is based on many rifles. Some do better some not as well.

It follows that if there is a real advantage, when making distant shots; for 300 Weatherby, 300 RUM and 30-378 Weatherby they will go further and more energy that can determine the success or failure of a hunt that concerning rams are activities many thousands of dollars or euros.

Ovny.

I've also heard or seen on outdoor TV shows that the Asian sheep can require long shots. I doubt that I'll ever hunt those sheep, but if I could I would use my .300 Weatherby.

I've killed 1 or 2 pronghorns almost every year since the mid 70's, and most were shot with my .257 Ackley. The longest shot that I've taken on a pronghorn was 348 yards. I stalked to within 50 yards of the buck that I shot last year.

I want to be sure that my rifle and cartridge allows me to hunt for example, a Marco Polo without having to resort to exaggerated cartridges.

Regards

Ovny.

It would be hard for me to take the Wby over the WM. I base that on the trajectory tables listed on the Berger Ballistic calculator at the website or in Berger's loading manual.

JMHO, though...

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Originally posted by ovny:
I want to be sure that my rifle and cartridge allows me to hunt for example, a Marco Polo without having to resort to exaggerated cartridges.

Regards

Ovny.

I wouldn't worry about it. You'll run out of shooter before you run out of cartridge.

I know I'm a little obsessive and heavy with the ballistics of my weapons. But I can not help it. Thanks for your patience.

Ovny.

I also imagine that the humble viewer that I have a Burris Fulfield II 3-9x40; shooting range must not be very large. I hope that at least hold the recoil 300 WM.

Regards

Ovny.

Chris Kyle was a SEAL, but I am sure he wished he was a Marine. The only real advantage the Winchester has is cheap brass. The Wby has a longer neck, perfect volume for the mid-slow powders like RL22, and the freebore is a perfect platform for Barnes T/TSX bullets. Either way, it's a horse a-piece.

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Originally posted by Quintus:
Chris Kyle was a SEAL, but I am sure he wished he was a Marine. The only real advantage the Winchester has is cheap brass. The Wby has a longer neck, perfect volume for the mid-slow powders like RL22, and the freebore is a perfect platform for Barnes T/TSX bullets. Either way, it's a horse a-piece.

I feared that.

Ovny.

Some hairs don't need to be split.

dogleg thanks for making that point

you seem to pretty much get it most of the time

nice to see your comments here and there

it just that :

common sense is in such short supply these days

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Originally posted by Dogleg:
Some hairs don't need to be split.

I apologize for my clumsiness but I did not understand your post. Sorry.

Thank you

Ovny.

ovny, the largest, loudest, heaviest of 30 caliber magnums only beats the 300 Win. mag by 150 FPS at most, therefore I can toss a rock that fast, so its not a big deal, and the big sheep will never know the difference.

I cannot imagine packing a big heavy 30 cal. ultra mag in those shale slides and steep mountains for Marcopolo or in the relm of our big horns..To me the ultimate sheep rifle is the 270 Win. with 130 gr. bullets. Most bighorns are shot at under 200 yards and many at less than a 100 yards.

Thanks Atkinson, I have thought to go hunting a female ibex when I have saved for it. A male not hunt me what I can afford. I'll take the Santa Barbara the .300 Winchester Magnum, the scope will be the Burris Fullfield II 3-9x40 and ammunition Remington Core Lokt 180 grains. If I can succeed and , I'll tell you .

Ovny.

Ovny,
I don't see how you can fail unless you miss! Your well armed with a fine scope, the best of luck to you my friend.

Dude, maybe not this the height of the equipment. Hehe.

Ovny.

You have a win win combo there..I have shot a lot of game over the years with a 300 H&H and a 180 gr. Corelokt, that still may be one of the finest bullets ever,particularly the round nose corelokt, it makes perfect mushrooms at 1000 FPS or at 3200 FPS..Not many if any other bullet can do that consistently..

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You have a win win combo there..I have shot a lot of game over the years with a 300 H&H and a 180 gr. Corelokt, that still may be one of the finest bullets ever,particularly the round nose corelokt, it makes perfect mushrooms at 1000 FPS or at 3200 FPS..Not many if any other bullet can do that consistently..

Thanks friend, I'll get a box of Remington Core Lock 180 grains that I think will go far to abate stalking animals and also serve to abate boars harassed by dogs and a lot of adrenaline.

Ovny.