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<monz>
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Will a Swift A-frame 300 grain in 9,3x62 open up enough if it�s muzzle velocity is about 2330f/s?
I�m planning to use it for wild boar since it has a good penetration reputation.
BUT I also want the bullet to expand well, otherwise I can use a solid.
Is the Vo to slow for the bullet?
We are talking about ranges up to 100-120 meters.
 
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I'd stick with a 286 gr at a higher impact speed, I don't think you'll find the lighter bullet lacks penetration.
 
Posts: 7213 | Location: Alaska | Registered: 27 February 2001Reply With Quote
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I have been hunting with a friend who uses a 9,3x57. He swear to the Swift, and preferable the 300 grains. He loads the bullet to less than 600 m/ sec (1970 f/s).
It gives impresive penetration, but poore expansion, if any to mention at all. (Never found a bullet in the moose as I know..): No meat-destruction! This guy shoots a lot of moose.

In my opinion the 300 gr. would be absolutely perfect for moose in 2330 f/s, but perhapes it would be better using the 286 gr Oryx bullet on the smaller boar? As far as I have experienced the Oryx expands a litle faster. I have never tried/seen the 286 gr used on game, but another friend of mine used the 250 gr. Oryx on a moose-calf. It penetrated some bone in the front of the animal, and was found under the skin at the oposite side. In my opinion the 250 gr Oryx bullet has got to low SD, and expands to fast, to be used on moose.

Good luck with the boar, and let us know about your experiences!
Ola


PS: Any who have tryed the 286 gr. Oryx on game yet?


 
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Ola . Norma do not release the 286 grain Oryx until Late June, sadly.
They only have the 232 grain bullet at the moment.
 
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This might help.

The following pic has two 300gr 375 Swift A-frames that I recovered from my Bison last year. The shots were approximately 200 and 250 yards. I was using a 375 H&H. Based on Remington's data, the impact velocity at those distances would be about 1800 to 2000 fps.

They don't have the classic A-frame mushroom, but they did open up enough to get the job done.

FWIW, Canuck

 
Posts: 7123 | Location: The Rock (southern V.I.) | Registered: 27 February 2001Reply With Quote
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Canuck, I'd call that relatively poor expansion at that range. Of course, you do have a lot of "retained weight", but how much is necessary? I think a Nosler Partiton would have done a better job....It would have weighted less, but I'll bet a Nosler PJ would have made a bigger wound channel, and penetrated just as much!!
 
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Yes the 300 gr. will work fine for you and your guarenteed penitration, so will the 286 gr. Nosler or the 320 gr. Woodleigh RN which is my favorite bullet for anything.

the 300 gr. Swift is a tough bullet and ment for shooting buffalo at point blank range. considering the range you shot those expanded bullets, Id say they did pretty darn good and that is about all the expansion one needs..

No such thing as 300 grs. of failure in a 375 H&H...just different degrees of success and the same with most 9.3x62 as bullet failure is not one of its problems, bullets at 9.3x62 velocities maintain their integrity 99.9% whatever weight you shoot..

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Posts: 42228 | Location: Twin Falls, Idaho | Registered: 04 June 2000Reply With Quote
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I have simply heard too many bad things about the a frames to even bother trying them out. Sure it is a well constructed bullet for HIGH velocity. I also agree with most of the posts , rather go with the Nosler Partitions , I have only had good luck with them so far.

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Posts: 150 | Location: Witbank ,South - Africa | Registered: 22 March 2002Reply With Quote
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According to Kevin Robertson, author of 'The Perfect Shot' it will work fine if the velocity is about 2275 to 2300 fps.

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monz

if you want to use 300 grain bullets for boar you must have seen the grand dad of all boars [Big Grin]

Any good bullet from 250 grains and up will work just fine. I think that 286 grain nosler partition would be the ticket. 300 grainers are for the big beasts in Africa. Take a look at the woodleights, or try the oryx. Boars are not thick skinned yet [Big Grin] .

Good luck
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The pigs in Africa are near impossible to shoot through, and everybody uses solids as they have a tough shield of grisel over the shoulders...In some parts of Europe they have this thick protection...

I'm not an expert on pigs and apparantly some do and some don't...feral pigs in Texas are easy to punch through....
 
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I have shot several deer and wild pigs with my 9,x74R. You can check my previous posts for the exact details. The only bullets that I have never recovered from game are the 293 RWS TUG and the 286gr. Nosler Partition. Even when a pig is hit at @ 110 yards behind the shoulder [ie no big bones struck] the Nosler gave good expansion, based on damage inside the pig. When a pig was hit with the Partition at 17 yards, with shoulder bones struck, the Partition gave complete penetration. The 286 Partition is a very good choice for the 9,3x74R or the 9,3x62.
 
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Shot +- 30 South African bushpig with .30-06 and 180 gr. Nosler partition.

Sometimes bullets stayed inside, but often they went through.

Sunshine

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Posts: 640 | Location: South Africa | Registered: 12 June 2003Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by Canuck:
This might help.

The following pic has two 300gr 375 Swift A-frames that I recovered from my Bison last year. The shots were approximately 200 and 250 yards. I was using a 375 H&H. Based on Remington's data, the impact velocity at those distances would be about 1800 to 2000 fps.

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They don't have the classic A-frame mushroom, but they did open up enough to get the job done.

FWIW, Canuck

I'll have to say classic mushroom and recovered aren't need in the same paragraph. The autoposy results speak for themselves. I'm looking at the 9.3x62 300 grain as my choice from this company. I try to stay above 1800 fps as impact velocity. Your photos seem to bear out this is a perfect expansion / weight retention choice. The 286 grain Nosler Partitions may be my second choice if I'm not after something that requires two holes for peace of mind.
 
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