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I could have put this in either the Big Bore topic area or the Small Bore topic area, but I decided to put it in the middle. What REAL difference does it make about the caliber/cartridge any individual hunts deer or anything else with as long as they are successful and satisfied with the results they are getting. Is this a real issue or just another way of dividing hunters? Even the rocks don't last forever. | ||
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Makes no material difference. Much like whether you drive a Dodge, Chev, Ford or import....as long as you get where you are going and enjoy doing it. Or whether you prefer blondes, brunettes or redheads. Or if you listen to country, rock, metal or some other crap.  I guess we wouldn't have much to talk about if we didn't want to tell everyone else why our choice is better than theirs and critisize pretty much everything every one else does and explain why they were wrong to be happy about it. lol | |||
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It is always a good topic for campfire discussion and the increased consumption of adult beverages... | |||
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+1 Yep I have killed big game with every thing from 22LR to over 40 cal DGRs. What I found was under the right conditions they all well work and kill what your are shooting at. I have come to prefer what I have in my hands at the time I need to kill something. It all makes for good conversation big or small. | |||
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Discussing calibers and cartridges is always fun and interesting, but after many years of hunting and many different calibers/cartridges used, I have found that the bullet is way more important/interesting than the caliber/cartridge. | |||
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Good responses from all. In thinking about them, I think Canuck gave probably the most accurate analysis.  
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Real issue, but not something sensibly debated over the net. Three different words: hitting, killing, retrieving. They are not equivalent terms. Killing animals is the easy part. Under optimal conditions any whitetail on earth can be cleanly killed with a Hornet. But...... Hitting can be more an issue than killing. Or not. Depends on your circumstances. Flatter trajectories simplify hitting at distance. Retrieving can be an issue. Or not. Again, depends on your circumstances. Heavier/wider projos simplify locating stuff we hit b/c they are apt to make two holes, and are apt to increase spillage to ground. What is silly is arguing "need" with someone whose circumstances you do not know. I forget........are we discussing the federal government or hunting? Sam | |||
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IMO on these forums if someone posts threads about shooting deer with small calibers and boasts about it, the people that dont believe in it are not in the wrong with stating their opinions, the window for this was opened by the boasting. I really think for alot of people its not a huge deal, but it gets some people fired up because boasting about the killing power of the smaller calibers on deer is kind of recomending them to others, and the kind of people that may be looking for recomendations are sometimes not very experienced. I think it is a valid topic for debate, but will never be solved, there will always be people on both sides of the fence trying to convince others that they are wrong. IMO the 223 deer hunters are on the wrong side of the fence. Haha flame away, there is far too few threads on here with calibre debates. | |||
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In response to the original post...I think maybe the reason for all the different cartridges is...."sales". How many guns you figure would be sold if we only had the choices of .22 LR, .30-30 Win., and .45-70? Or, just .17 HMR, .270 Wby, and .375 H&H? I suggest if that was the case, even the most fervent gun nuttus erectus would only own 3-10, at the most. As it is, that's not even an opening hand for many of us. My country gal's just a moonshiner's daughter, but I love her still. | |||
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The debates can get ridiculous but most of the time they are entertaining. I had someone on this forum tell me the 8x57 was much better than the 338 Federal because he was pushing a 200 grain bullet 2700 while I was only pushing one 2650. I asked if he thought any animal on earth would notice. He said they would. At that point there was no use arguing. | |||
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Deep down inside the .223 deer hunters just don't want to admit they cannot handle the recoil of a real deer rifle.
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   ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition” ― Rudyard Kipling | |||
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I liked SH's reply re: " retrieving" your animal. Some of the properties I hunt here in PA are small, by anyone's standards. Infrequently a mortally wounded whitetail will enter onto another property to be shot and claimed by another not-so-ethical hunter. Most of us will kill the wounded deer & give to its rightful owner. I lean towards calibers that put deer down ASAP. My .308 works well, but I've used .35 Rem., '06, and other 30 cals. Out west its .270 WSM, most of my go-to rifles are lever guns. Good hunting to all. | |||
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Damn good analogy. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I have decided I no longer need to argue with AR members about which caliber is best for this or that, I have a hard enough time deciding which rifle I want to use on my own. AK-47 The only Communist Idea that Liberals don't like. | |||
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I go thru mine and pick out the one that hadn't killed anything lately and its the one that get to go. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Ha ha, sound advice! I am taking the 32 Special my grandfather gave me, 27 years ago, on a mountain lion hunt. Sure, I could use something else but this would be my first animal with this gun! | |||
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The doe I killed the second Sunday of deer season down here was shot with my 1894 Winchester Chief Crazy Horse Commerative in .38-55. I will be trying for a second doe with my 1907 .351 Winchester Self Loader that was built in 1923. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Yes! I will henceforth feel free to use .22 Shorts for everything!   Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Even if you want to thats hard to argue against . The real thing that would seem relivent would be how ethical does one need to be for satisfaction . Not to long ago I guy told me a story of a hunt he was on . He took a shot using a 7mm mag at a elk @ 450yds . Clipped it took another shot as it started to run ,clipped it again . The elk went up and over a ridge in thick-ish brush . The guy tracked it to where he was with in 150yds took another shot , did not kill it but did stop it . It took him another 10 min to get to the animal and take the 4th and final shot . Total time from first shot to last 50 min . But who cares right he was happy with the results enough to brag about it later . I could see that same thing happening using a 22lr at a deer @ 40 feet . Just because your happy with the results does not mean yuor GTG . It could mean your just that A-hole that does not give a crap . | |||
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+3 . I couldn't resist. | |||
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lol yeah i was clicking reply rather then edit oops Fixed now it just looks like you really agree with me | |||
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