Hey TC1, It is a "Universal Secret" that Termite Food stocks are constantly changing due to the environmental conditions. The PT Barnums of the stock making world try their best to convince folks otherwise, but they are simply full-of-beans.

Did you try laying a "Steel Straight Edge" along the inside edge of the stock?

I'd suspect you are 100% correct that is is simply a Termite Food problem, but until you hairy-eyeball it, it could also be a barrel/action assembly issue.

If you know for absolutely sure it is "Warping Termite Food", I want to save a link to your pictures. You just never know when one of the PT Barnums will say that Termite Food "never" warps.

I'm a firm believer that wood will warp, no secrect there. I also believe that a wood stock that is well cured will not affect accuracy enough to matter on a hunting rifle. If you're after every last bit of accuracy a rifle will offer, yes a good plastic stock is the way to go. The only problem with them is they look like shit and feel cheap in my hands. They do have thier place, just not on a big game hunting rifle, at least not mine.

Terry

the only reason to buy a factory rifle in your price range is to use the action for a custom rifle. Give weaver rifles a call this work is as good as any and his prices are reasonable.

Weaver Rifles
(719)683-3024
(719)337-0501

Dr B

Bought new before the winchester plant closing at an affordable $420. Custom stock $365. Take off leupold no ring marks $380. Talley lights can't remember the price....say 50 bucks under 1200 invested and it shoots too. 270wsm.

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Originally posted by BusMaster007:
Get this one; it'll go nice with your scope!

.300 Rem. SA Ultra Mag

http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/700pltr.htm

THERE YOU GO!!

I have a 700 LTR in 308. It's not as nearly as accurate as my Sako M-75 308, Steyr Scout 308's, Finnlite's, or Kimbers - all rifles that are lighter than it is. The trigger was so heavily sprung I replaced it. I think after I spend several hundred dollars having the action blueprinted etc. it will shoot much better.
I think that out of the box the Remington LTR's are nowhere near as good as a Sako Finnlite, Sako M-75 or Kimber 84, 8400, or Montana's. I've tried them all and the Remmy is in last place of the group...................DJ

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I think that out of the box the Remington LTR's are nowhere near as good as a Sako Finnlite, Sako M-75 or Kimber 84, 8400, or Montana's. I've tried them all and the Remmy is in last place of the group

It's a bummer that you got one that will not shoot that great. The LTRs that have been to our range have been printing nice jagged hole groups.

I've only shot one in 308 and it did quite well w/ 165 Sierras being pushed w/ R15. There's a couple of fellas that have em' in 300SAUM. Seem like pretty sound little rifles.

Did you try to adjust your factory trigger? Their pretty easy to get down to around 2-2.5 lbs.

What kind of loads are you shooting through it?

Bedded it yet?

Reloader

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Originally posted by TC1:
I'm a firm believer that wood will warp, no secrect there. I also believe that a wood stock that is well cured will not affect accuracy enough to matter on a hunting rifle.

Hey TC1, Those two statements appear to be in direct conflict with each other. How `bout a bit of clarification? Is there some distance limit you have in mind - like under 10yds.

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If you're after every last bit of accuracy a rifle will offer, yes a good plastic stock is the way to go. ... They do have thier place, just not on a big game hunting rifle, at least not mine...

I guess I'd counter with "if not on a Hunting rifle where accuracy is paramount, where does it really matter"?

The BR folks could hacksaw off the front end of that warped piece of Termite Food on your Kimber and use it across the Sand Bags if it met their needs. But in a Hunting rifle, I choose never to be guessing if the Termite Food has warped just enough to create a wound rather than a kill.

If you stick to the Termite Food long enough, you will eventually find out why it is pitiful stock material for a Hunting rifle.

Best of luck to you.

mountain eagle made by magnum reserch..... bretta''mato........ both of these are still floating around but it would take some looking both made with custom barrels ausome actions and syntheticand wood stocks except MR..ME.. iknow where thrers a lightly shot maybe not shoot 280 mato synthetic stock rifle ,price 885.00 handled it wendsday afternoon.... regards jjmp

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Originally posted by Hot Core:

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Originally posted by TC1:
I'm a firm believer that wood will warp, no secrect there. I also believe that a wood stock that is well cured will not affect accuracy enough to matter on a hunting rifle.

Hey TC1, Those two statements appear to be in direct conflict with each other. How `bout a bit of clarification? Is there some distance limit you have in mind - like under 10yds.

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If you're after every last bit of accuracy a rifle will offer, yes a good plastic stock is the way to go. ... They do have thier place, just not on a big game hunting rifle, at least not mine...

I guess I'd counter with "if not on a Hunting rifle where accuracy is paramount, where does it really matter"?

The BR folks could hacksaw off the front end of that warped piece of Termite Food on your Kimber and use it across the Sand Bags if it met their needs. But in a Hunting rifle, I choose never to be guessing if the Termite Food has warped just enough to create a wound rather than a kill.

If you stick to the Termite Food long enough, you will eventually find out why it is pitiful stock material for a Hunting rifle.

Best of luck to you.

The two statments don't conflict each other. After you've got a few more years under your belt you'll realize it doesn't take a .2 MOA rifle to take game.

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The BR folks could hacksaw off the front end of that warped piece of Termite Food on your Kimber and use it across the Sand Bags if it met their needs. But in a Hunting rifle, I choose never to be guessing if the Termite Food has warped just enough to create a wound rather than a kill.

Any time someone brings up the BR crowd in the middle of a hunting rifle discussion, I know they don't have a clue about what they're talking about.

Lack of experience tends to leed people to think they need magnum cartridges and SS/plastic rifles. If you spent a little more time learning to hunt and not shot it wouldn't be a problem.

Sometimes this is fun, but today I'm not in the mood. Carry on the argument without me.

Terry

Hey TC1, Wasn't arguing with you at all, just trying to understand. And now I do.

So, you are talking about "inside" 10yds. I'd just use a revolver there(with Hogue Synthetic Grips).

That was rude and I apologize. Yes, a pistol will work just fine, but it needs wood grips.

Terry

I have never had a wood stock warp enough to affect the accuracy of any rifle. Then I make an effort to keep the wood sealed. I see no advantage to plastic stocks other than you can leave then laying in the boat all season out in the weather. I've one plastic stock and I hate it. I also have a Paul Jaeger 03-A3 that was made in 1945 and the wood stock has never warped. Of course it doesn't get left in the boat all season either. Same goes for all my barrels and actions, they are all blued and I wipe them off now and then. Never had one rust!
By the way, the Paul Jaeger still has the origional barrel and it shoot's consistently between 1 1/4" and 1" groups. Not to bad for a non stainless barrel/action in a wood stock!

Hey Terry, Maybe I was reading it all wrong, but I didn't take your posts as all that rude. Just a good spirited(but totally wrong) defense of Termite Food being useful on a firearm.

They do burn right well in a fire-barrel.
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Hey Don, Never had Rusting Blue Steel - rust? In Oregon? And no constantly changing(warping) Termite Food?

Speaks well for keeping them indoors instead of using them outside.

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They do burn right well in a fire-barrel.

Yea and plastic recycles well too. Who knows there maybe a couple of plastic stocks in my "made from recycled material" garbage can

Terry

I've had a stock warp. It spent about 36 hours under water in a stream salt water before it was recovered with gafeling hooks.

I boiled it in water to get the salt out and had the barrel reblued. But the stock goes to the right about 1/2"

I took the action all apart and regreased it also. Was my pump shotgun.

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Originally posted by TC1:
...Yea and plastic recycles well too. Who knows there maybe a couple of plastic stocks in my "made from recycled material" garbage can ...

Might just be.

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Originally posted by TC1:
Hey DJ, Yes it's been back to Kimber for repair. They sent it back with a new stock that had a big dent knocked in the stock in the butt area and some how thay managed to scrape up the muzzle on the barrel. I sold the rifle and moved on.

Hot Core, This is just a guess but I think the stock was cut from a "green" piece of wood and it moved after the barrled action was placed in it. Termite food, HA! funny stuff.

Terry

Terry,
Thanks for telling me about the scraped muzzle before you sold it to me! I was willing to live with the dent in the forearm but a scraped up muzzle is a different thing. Oh well, last time I shot it, 3 shots went into .68 inches so I guess Kimber makes an accurate rifle, huh?

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Originally posted by Marty Wessler:

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Originally posted by TC1:
Hey DJ, Yes it's been back to Kimber for repair. They sent it back with a new stock that had a big dent knocked in the stock in the butt area and some how thay managed to scrape up the muzzle on the barrel. I sold the rifle and moved on.

Hot Core, This is just a guess but I think the stock was cut from a "green" piece of wood and it moved after the barrled action was placed in it. Termite food, HA! funny stuff.

Terry

Terry,
Thanks for telling me about the scraped muzzle before you sold it to me! I was willing to live with the dent in the forearm but a scraped up muzzle is a different thing. Oh well, last time I shot it, 3 shots went into .68 inches so I guess Kimber makes an accurate rifle, huh?

Marty, If I remeber correctly I gave you a complete run down of the rifle including the things I didn't like. I also explained to you the gun had back to Kimber and I also provided detailed pictures and a inspection period. If you have a problem call me.

Terry

To all,
I wish to apologize for posting this in public and not PM'ing Terry on this rifle. I made a mistake and do not wish to cause him trouble as our deal was completed promptly and without trouble. I did not remember things correctly and I stand corrected. Terry is a stand up guy and I apologize for any problems I may have caused.
Marty

Not a problem Marty. Welcome to Accurate reloading.

Terry

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Originally posted by Hot Core:
Hey Terry, Maybe I was reading it all wrong, but I didn't take your posts as all that rude. Just a good spirited(but totally wrong) defense of Termite Food being useful on a firearm.

They do burn right well in a fire-barrel.
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Hey Don, Never had Rusting Blue Steel - rust? In Oregon? And no constantly changing(warping) Termite Food?

Speaks well for keeping them indoors instead of using them outside.

No I haven't. Have lived and hunted in Colo, Mont, Alaska and Germany as well. Never had a rust problem.

If I had $1500 to spend on another factory hunting rifle, I would certainly choose a Browning A-bolt Mountain-Ti.

This thing is an awesome gun! I own a .270 WSM that will shoot .4 and smaller 5 shot groups. It's been extremely easy to load for and get to shoot! One negative to the gun is the light weight barrell. It get really hot and it happens really quick.

It has a dura touch camo Mossy Oak stock, a titanium receiver, and stainless barrell. The thing weighs like 5lbs and 6oz. and it's not really that bad on recoil.

I don't have $1500......BUT my next gun will be this very same gun in 325WSM.

It would be a Sako, Kimber or Remington in that order.

Hoeram

Weatherby , Sako , perhaps a Saur

Steyr, Kimber, Sako

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Originally posted by Claret_Dabbler:
That sort of money should buy you a Stainless Synthetic Sako 75.

NUFF SAID!

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Originally posted by Marty Wessler:

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Originally posted by TC1:
Hey DJ, Yes it's been back to Kimber for repair. They sent it back with a new stock that had a big dent knocked in the stock in the butt area and some how thay managed to scrape up the muzzle on the barrel. I sold the rifle and moved on.

Hot Core, This is just a guess but I think the stock was cut from a "green" piece of wood and it moved after the barrled action was placed in it. Termite food, HA! funny stuff.

Terry

Terry,
Thanks for telling me about the scraped muzzle before you sold it to me! I was willing to live with the dent in the forearm but a scraped up muzzle is a different thing. Oh well, last time I shot it, 3 shots went into .68 inches so I guess Kimber makes an accurate rifle, huh?

kimber? shoot well? mine doesnt on a regular basis. sometimes itll do under half inch, but thats rare. usually its over an inch @ 100yards. makes me mad

I spent $1500 on a rifle once. What I got was a "grandfathered" Uzi Mod. 45 Carbine -- 9mm and 45 ACP caliber, two bbls. two bolts.

They don't import them into the USA any more. I have the Uzi Mod. 45 Pistol too, also 9mm / 45 ACP. That ran about $1100.

So they sit in the back of the safe, appreciated and appreciating.

If you have $1500, I'd head to a gun show and search for something they're not making, or not allowed to import -- as an "investment."

What's interesting about the two pages of commentary on this thread is that NO ONE once asked you what you're intending to use this rifle for.

So -- What do you intend to use this rifle for?

Buy a Savage and use the balance ot get some fine bourbon! And maybe a good hooker!

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Originally posted by Dusky:
Buy a Savage and use the balance ot get some fine bourbon! And maybe a good hooker!

A new rifle a loose head and a wet noodle. This guy maybe on to something.


Terry

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Originally posted by Allout:

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Originally posted by TC1:

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Originally posted by Dusky:
Buy a Savage and use the balance ot get some fine bourbon! And maybe a good hooker!

A new rifle a loose head and a wet noodle. This guy maybe on to something.



Terry

I think he nailed it (except it should have been a cz instead of a Savage).

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Originally posted by Allout:

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Originally posted by Allout:

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Originally posted by TC1:

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Originally posted by Dusky:
Buy a Savage and use the balance ot get some fine bourbon! And maybe a good hooker!

A new rifle a loose head and a wet noodle. This guy maybe on to something.



Terry

I think he nailed it (except it should have been a cz instead of a Savage).

Yea then he'd be dizzy with a CZ and a Sleazy.............DJ

Terry, I am a benchrest shooter and all my BR rifles are wood stocked. The BR crowd is coming around to the vibration dampening qualities of wood. All my hunting rifles except one is wood.
Butch

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Originally posted by butchlambert:
Terry, I am a benchrest shooter and all my BR rifles are wood stocked. The BR crowd is coming around to the vibration dampening qualities of wood. All my hunting rifles except one is wood.
Butch

I'm with ya Butch! Lots of those Palma boy's still use wood.

Terry

For $1500, I think I'd first recognize that rifles all are born with problems that need to be corrected and plan to have a good gunsmith slick up a good basic rifle. I'd start with a good, basic Czremchester, check it to see that it shoots under bench conditions, then send it off to someone like Mark Penrod to have the good shine through.

Say, $750 for the rifle - M70 Classic, for sake of argument - then another $150 for trigger/safety timing, a few bucks on action smoothing and odds and ends like a better magazine spring, and a ~$450 McMillan stock cut to your dimensions. (Most factory barrels shoot close to an inch at 100 yards these days, which is overkill for hunting.) With that, you might well be under $1500 for an accurate rifle I'd be proud to own.

Jaywalker

For $1500 I would buy another 30/378. Kills anything. Load it up for whatever, load it down to 300 Win velocities. Rifle just has LOTs of possibilities. I know some will argue but I love mine.

For $1000 I would go with a Remington 700 Mountain Rifle in 260 Remington.

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Originally posted by lofter:
Bought new before the winchester plant closing at an affordable $420. Custom stock $365. Take off leupold no ring marks $380. Talley lights can't remember the price....say 50 bucks under 1200 invested and it shoots too. 270wsm.

Looks great and a bargain for that price. Who did the stock work??