Not as much as I would have thought. Today at the range I was sighting in my 35 Whelen for primitive weapons season. My brother in law brought his too along with a few other rifles he'll be hunting with this year. I had the scope off mine during the off season so I had to start from scratch sighting it in. After three shots it was on target and I shot a nice three shot group (for a NEF Handi rifle) and called mine good to go.

Mine went pretty smooth but my brother in law was spraying paper with his. I started calling his shots for him and after the 4th shot with me watching his target one of the bullets key holed. At that point I knew something was BAD wrong with the rifle and told him to stop shooting it. I cracked open the the rifle and nothing was obvious, then I looked at a piece of brass on the table and the mystery was solved. the brass was too short to be Whelen brass so I picked a piece to look at the head stamp. Before I got to the headstamp I saw the split running down the case. After that I read 35 REM on the head stamp!

Last year he gave me a box of .270 Winchester cartridges and told me they didn't shoot worth a damn out of his .270 Weatherby.

Now, I'm not a big fan of evolution but....



I've tried to explain to him there is more important information on the box than just the caliber!

Terry

For folks that know the firearms industry quite well it's a no brainer.....but in all fairness to those that don't know it like most folks that post here.....the industry can be a damn confusing place to shoot!

Having said that....I don;'t have any solution to the problem except to educate folks every time we can....not everyone is a firearms expert!

There's a diffrence between Winchester and Weatherby?

Good question. After all, they both begin with a
'W', yanno.

what was he.....?, how did he....?, did he not know....????


i don't know what to say. nevermind.

I've read about folks buying 7 mm Mauser ammo for their 7mm Rem mag and vice versa.

During the early reporting of the JFK assanation it was reported that the rifle used was a 30-30.....as that's all the reporter knew and to him all guns were 30-30s!

I've actually seen a customer go to the counter to buy "deer hunting shells".....assuming they all were....and afterall we know that a 22 shoots shorts, longs, and long rifles.....why shouldn't a 30-30 also not shoot longer shells too?

There's a quite a few folks that don't have a clue as to how it actually works!

i posted this before but it fits here

i heard the guy behind the counter at walmart actually tell a customer that the difference between a 3006 and a 270 is that "the 3006 is fer shootin round nose bullets and the 270 is fer the pointy kind".

ya cain't fix....well, again, nevermind.

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Originally posted by TC1:
My brother in law

Sorry to be harsh but .............

Book appointment with the doctor, arrange surgery, have the "snip", accidental breeding no longer a problem.

Darwin's theory of Evolution will solve the "original" problem if he keeps shooting.

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Originally posted by srtrax:
There's a diffrence between Winchester and Weatherby?

I didn't get that memo.

Looks like there must be some minor dimensional differences between 35 whelen and remington, and fireforming doesent work since the cases are too short, good to know.

Making a mistake one is forgivable. But again the next season! He should be cleaning cobwebs in the garage.

Naw he is just cheap the price of a box of 270 winis a lot cheaper the 270 WM.

For those who are curious, you can shoot a .270 Winchester in a .270 Weatherby. I've been told it takes about three tries to get it to fire in a Ruger#1

My brother in law is a great guy and a pretty good hunter, he's just not a "gun guy" by any stretch of the imagination. A gun was just a tool to him and he only owned two until recently. Fortunately he hasn't put anything down the barrel that won't go yet. After yesterday we had a long talk about it. Hopefully this will be the last time this happens.

Terry

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Originally posted by TC1:
Today at the range I was sighting in my 35 Whelen for primitive weapons season.

Terry

Just curious. How does a 35 Whelen qualify as a "primitive weapon"?

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Originally posted by TC1:
Today at the range I was sighting in my 35 Whelen for primitive weapons season.

Terry

Just curious. How does a 35 Whelen qualify as a "primitive weapon"?

They changed the primative weapons season regulations here in Mississippi several years ago. We can use metalic cartridge rifles these days.

The regulations are:
1. 35 caliber and above
2. breech loading single shot
3. must have an exposed hammer

With the steady decline of hunting the state is trying to keep people interested. The rule started about 5 years ago. Originally you had to have a pre-1900's single shot exposed hammer firearm or replica of and it had to be 38 caliber or higher. but they loosened the rules last year and now the Whelen qualifies. I've heard some talk they want to eliminate the cartridge restrictions altogether.

With the introduction of scoped inline ML's thaty use 209 primers there really hasn't been a "primative weapons" season in most states for a long time.

Terry

I have an uncle (still living, surprisingly enough) who shot half a box of 7mm Rem. Mags out of a .300 Winchester before realizing what was wrong. The bullets were keyholing and the necks were splitting but he didn't stop to check his ammo until he'd shot 8 or 10 rounds.

It's really amazing how careless some people are with firearms. I guess it doesn't occur to them that they're setting off a small explosion that generates tens of thousands of pounds of pressure within a few inches of their face and the only thing separating them from the explosion is a relatively thin piece of steel.

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Originally posted by TC1:

With the introduction of scoped inline ML's thaty use 209 primers there really hasn't been a "primative weapons" season in most states for a long time.

Terry

That's exactly why I don't bother W/going out toting my traditional RB ML anymore.

Is a 35 Whelen a primitive weapon?

I once bought a 308 Norma Magnum from a guy who was shooting 308 Winchester ammo in it. He said the gun shot great but he couldn't stand the fire and smoke coming out of it at each shot. I tried to tell him but he just said he didn't want it anymore. So I bought a Safari grade Mauser for $100. Sold it and bought a 308 Win. HEH HEH

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Not as much as I would have thought. Terry

I took a shot @ a Cottontail W/my 16ga pump shotgun.

I rolled the escaping bunny, (it was a very close shot as it tried to duck under some cover) but the report from the gun was a bit hollow sounding.

As I attempted to eject the spent shell casing it stayed lodged in the chamber. After poking it out W/a long stick I was astonished to find a split 20ga hull.

Terry, with all of your pretty rifles, it disturbs me that you are hunting with a Handi rifle!
You should restock it. There's a guy on ebay selling nice blanks for two piece stocks. There's your project for after hunting season.

Primitive weapons seasons still exist in PA. The after Christmas muzzle loader season is flinchlock only.

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Originally posted by TC1:
Not as much as I would have thought. Terry

I took a shot @ a Cottontail W/my 16ga pump shotgun.

I rolled the escaping bunny, (it was a very close shot as it tried to duck under some cover) but the report from the gun was a bit hollow sounding.

As I attempted to eject the spent shell casing it stayed lodged in the chamber. After poking it out W/a long stick I was astonished to find a split 20ga hull.

I once fired a 3.5" 12 guage shell out of my 10 guage browning bps, had to slam the butt on the ground to pull the shell out, the brass was fireformed to the chamber.

I went to the local hunting store asked for a box of 10 guage 3.5" nitro mags and the salesman rang up a box threw it in a bag I paid left the store, threw the box in my hunting pack and went hunting, like an idiot not even looking at the guage on the box and not noticeing the smaller diameter shells with my nearly frozen hands out in the marsh. Felt pretty low about my self that day.

Why is it always the in-laws that pull the bonehead card ?

Dont buy him a Muzzle Loader, even more things to go wrong.
Although it might be entertaining if you have a large life insurance policy on him...lol

Cheers, John

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Originally posted by wwjmbd:
I once fired a 3.5" 12 guage shell out of my 10 guage browning bps, had to slam the butt on the ground to pull the shell out, the brass was fireformed to the chamber.

I went to the local hunting store asked for a box of 10 guage 3.5" nitro mags and the salesman rang up a box threw it in a bag I paid left the store, threw the box in my hunting pack and went hunting, like an idiot not even looking at the guage on the box and not noticeing the smaller diameter shells with my nearly frozen hands out in the marsh. Felt pretty low about my self that day.

My brother in law took up turkey hunting with me several years back.

Now 1st let me assure you that he's not a complete idiot, just now real knowledgeable about guns. especially when using loads/guns that he is not familiar with

I told him to pick up some 2 3/4" #4 copper plated loads.

When he fired one off @ the patern board I noticed that istead of hundreds of small holes, there were about 30-40 medium sized holes.

The guy @ the sport shop had sold him #4 BUCKSHOT!

Not only was that load inappropriate for turkeys & illegal, it would have been a considerable safety hazard.

Considering that full cammo used in spring gobble season would have made line of fire accidents a diffinate possibility, the extended range of the much larger #4 buckshot could have made for a much higher likelyhood of serious injury or even death.

I think your kin is related to the mystery man at our range who keeps leaving very short necked venturi shouldered 300 Win Mag cases on the fireing line.

Only in the very deep South can a scoped single shot centerfire rifle be considered a primitive weapon.

I'm still trying to wrap my mind arround an inline muzzle loader with a 12x scope being a primitive weapon.

Covey "whatever floats your boat" 16

By those rules an 1885 Browning in .375 HH would be a primitive weapon,

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Originally posted by SR4759:
By those rules an 1885 Browning in .375 HH would be a primitive weapon,

You would be good to go.

Terry

I once had a friend who was gifted from a high up official in Austria, a custom made/engraved mannlicher Schoenauer 30-06 that looked absolutely fantastic!

Anyway, he was trying to sight it in for the up comeing moose season and it was shooting all over the target. FINALLY, out of pure frustration, he walked over to me and asked if i could figure out what was wrong. I walked over to his bench, and noticed right off he was fireing 308 Winchesters in it!

When i pointed that out, he said: "let me run home and get some 30-06's!" And off he went...

DM

I've seen 308s fired in an un-modified Garand. Looked pretty much like the picture, 'cept without the split.

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Originally posted by SR4759:
By those rules an 1885 Browning in .375 HH would be a primitive weapon,

Next year the 375 H&H will be 100 years old!

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I've seen 308s fired in an un-modified Garand. Looked pretty much like the picture, 'cept without the split.

an e-4 in the armory told us how a 1918 browning ( BAR) would shoot and function with .308's. We just had to try that one ourselves. I'll be damned if it didnt run a mag full perfectly!