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I have killed several elk with the 7mstw all with 140gr partitions.Even when launched at 3500fps they hold together fine and penetrate well,better in fact than 175gr bullets of conventional construction. | ||
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Not to be contrary, but I'd buy a nice, light 7x57 or 280. | ||
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I've killed a few bulls with 150 partitions at 3000 fps from a 26" barreled .280 Rem. One way out right at 400 yds and a few more at 350+. Also hit and killed a WOUNDED* bull at 555 yds with the same gun and load. Down range power was enough to still break bones and deflate lungs. Bullets were found on the off side, under the hide though. * wounded by 250 gr .338 mag. It ALL boils down to PLACEMENT doesn't it?? I guess in retrospect 200 or 300 extra fps would have been nice but unless one routinely shoots between 400 and 500 yds I'd think a 7mm Rem mag would do a fine job. As far as availability of ammo, expense of brass, etc. Who cares about that? IF one of the really big cased sevens appeal, go for it. I have since taken that standard .280 and opened it up to an Ackley Improved. Gave me an additional 125 fps which to me makes it a decent 400 yd rifle on elk. FN in MT | |||
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Depends on what kind of hunter you are...If you have the ability to hunt then I would use a 7x57 with 175 gr. Noslers at 2600 FPS or better...and have used that load many times on elk hunts...You will have to adjust to only shooting at 300 yards and under or hunt the timber..not a bad practice regardless of caliber.... I don't put a lot of faith in calibers, I have seen a lot of game wounded by long range calibers or great power up close and out yonder... A good shot, a good hunter is the best combo and he can get by with any caliber, today so many think they can buy success in a pretty gun box..... | |||
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Along with Stubblejumper, I also use 7stw 3530av.fps with the 139gr Interbond, and Imr7828-83gr max, I shot my cow with it yesterday the 13, the one with the abscess and have the topic, Interbond and mercy killing. And have killed 4 Elk with the 150gr scirocco with the 7stw, Imr7828-80.5gr max. If you like the 154 grainers, it also is in the new hornady interbond. Also killed 14 with the 139gr hornady in a 7mm mag-3250av.fps.H-4831-69.8gr. Since I got a new tag, will try the 165 interbond in the 300wby next weekend. The 284 cal is pretty nice, even in 280 Rem,139gr-140's-H-4831 57.9gr to 59.5gr--3000fps. Max  P.S. 175 gr bullets suck in a 284 cal,160gr tops.  | |||
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Ray--for what it is worth I don't think this discussion has a darn thing to do with what kind of a hunter this person is. I believe he asked a very specific question about the big 7's. I don't think he asked about what ranges he should shoot to in able to be labeled a hunter instead of a shooter. I don't think he asked what round would be best to 300. I don't think he asked about what types of packages guns for real hunters come in. So why on earth would you bring that type of crap to this discussion? I also feel why should one limit ones self to 300 yards like you say with a 7x57 whenn one can shoot farther with a big 7 and not have to have the limits? He already stated he hunted in an area where being able to shoot too 400 is a reality, so why would you start with this ethics thing. Why is it if you hunt and shoot to 300 you are a "hunter" but if you don't and you shoot at longer ranges you are all of a sudden a "shooter"? To me it is all hunting whether I take my game at 7 yards-70 yards or 700 yards. To me it is all hunting! I don't think there is a range that all of a sudden one decides that if I shoot at this range I am all of a sudden a shooter. Why 300 why not 200 or 100? Who has the right to make this kind of a statement about someone else? Just some thoughts- I think the chap deserves a answer about the big 7's and not a lecture on ethics. Just my thoughts..... "GET TO THE HILL" Dogz | |||
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For me, the only reason to go to a 7mag of any flavor is to push a heavier bullet faster for more energy downrange, otherwise, stay w/ the .280. As you know, you are only going to pick up 3-4" going to the fast steppers out @ 400yds & you'll be giving up some penetration. You can use a light weight 'X' to get your penetration, but I wouldn't want to bet on them for accuracy (my rifles don't like them). I have used the 160grNP @ 3100fps in my 7Remmag (now a 7mm Dakota @ 3250fps) & like it as an allround bullet. Good expansion @ long range & will still hold together if you get that 100yd shot. I might step to a 160grCTP or 175grNP if hunting timber, then again, I would step up in bore size fore that. Yeh, it's about where you hit em & bullet performance, but sometimes where you hit them dictates bullet performance.  | |||
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I'm certainly not an experienced elk hunter. Have only taken one bull, a real nice 6x6 on public land in Wyoming. That said, one shot at 180 yards with my 7mm Rem mag was all it took. I used the 175 Nosler Partition handloaded to about 2930 fps MV. Easy shooting. Accurate. Great penetration. The 7mm Rem mag is hard to beat. Regards, Guy | |||
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"orthognality" Whoa... Beyond my vocabulary! Guy | |||
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Evidently beyond me, too, as I appear to have spelled it wrong. | ||
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I thought that word looked missmelled. cheers, and all 7mm rounds are fine for elk. Remember it is where the bullet hits, what bullet it is, and how the bullet behaves in the target, that brings down the elk. Practice makes perfect, or should I say perfect practice makes perfect. I missed a nice threepoint muley kitchen buck on last day of season with a 7X65R. not the caliber, it was a very awkward and narrow shooting lane, and I just failed to properly calculate bullet trajectory and could not get a balanced hold on my rifle on top of the tripod. Rather than go out for a bigger boomerbanger, I instead looked for a heavier rifle in similar caliber (280 Remington)that fits me better. then its practice prectice practice. For me, My decision was made when I realized that I would better practice hunting position shooting with a 6 pound mtn rifle in 280, and an 8 pound distance rifle in 280, then in 7mm mag or STW or SAUM or RUM or wby mag of any type or form. but I did set the minimum on the 3006 size case rather than the fine 7mm08 or the 7X57. YMMV. Jamie | |||
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I agree that the 7mm RM is possibly THE nicest magnum case on the scene. Dont let the fact that its been around a while deny you of its virtues. | |||
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