i just bought my 3rd 270 ,the first killed around 50-60 deer but was stolen. the second i still have and have killed over a hundred deer and a few bear with it. both of those were rem 700's. the new one is a tikka t3. its shooting at 1/2in or so at 100 yds. i hope to kill another 100 with it. i just couldn't bring myself to buy anything but the 270.

Methinks Jack O'Connor was getting a tad senile when he recommended Carmichel as his replacement. I came across Carmichel's BOOK OF THE RIFLE at a gun show. The giuy that had it actually just gave it to me stating that he, "Thought Jimbo" his words was full of shit.
I especially liked the section on hunting big game with single shot rifles. he thought facing something that could bite back wint a single shot would be "Sporting", but was couched in a very snide manner. I challenged him to pay for a hunt agaist something big and bad and that I would use my Ruger 31 .375 H&H. he never botherd to answer. hell, it would have given him a good article.
Now, I will be the the first to admit that the .270 is not my favorite cartrdige. I've just always been more comfortable with the 30-06. With that said, I own four rifles chambered to the .270, three of which are recent acquisitions. One, an FIE Musketeer I bought back around 1973 I actually might consider taking up Jimbo's challenge for a shooting match. it will consistantly put three shots under a dime at 100 yards with a load of H-4831 and the 150 gr. Nodler Partition. it hates the 130 gr. bullets of any kind. About four years ago, I picked up a Ruger #1A in .270. It's a consistant 1.25" gun with 150 gr. Sierra Game Kings. That same load is a .80" grouper in another 1952 issue FN Mauser sporter I picked up a while ago. A Winchester M70 XTR with synthetic stock I bought about a month ago at a gun show will also put the 150 gr. Game kings into one inch all day long.
My personal opinion on Carmichel's article? He's full of more shit than a Christmas goose.
In fact, he's the reason I cancelled my subscription to Outdoor Life. I don't claim to have the knowledge that he claims to have, but I do recognize prejudiced bullshit when I see it.
Paul B.

Jim Carmichel, is nothing but a ledgend in his own mind. I quit Outdoor Life when 270 Jack left. As to the question at hand. Some rifes will shoot better than others. My 270 Winchester M-70 Super Grade likes 130 gr bullets better than anything else. Accurate enough to take a Mule Deer out in Montana well pass 350 or so yards. The guide thought I hit the back end,when its rear fell down and he got back up staggered some and fell over. The Piss poor 130gr load when right thru the heart. As for the piss poor load, a 130gr Speer SP over 57.5 gr. IMR-4831. Worked well on all the deer I shot that year. Back in the old days I shot a lot of 4831 thru the 270 with no problems with either accuracy or being able to bring venison home. Back then they sold 4831 by the lb in paper bags. I bought a 50 lb keg and used up the last of it, in 2002. lasted just a little over 32 years. About the only difference today is that both bullets and powder for the cartridge are way better. Jim is becoming an old man in his doatage.

holy crap then theres some one like me if the powder is over 1 yr old i through it out or sell it.....of course powder never lasts that long around here

I don't agree with Jim at all. IMO, for all meat hunting like deer, elk, moose etc. the .270 is an excellent all round gun with its low recoil if handloaded. TSX 150 will easily take an elk out to 350 yards.

I think Carmichael was just trying to stir the pot. He hasn't been shy about his dislike for the .270 and is quoted as saying that Jack O'Connor told him (but nobody else in the whole world) that the .280 (coincidentally Jim's favorite) was a better round than the .270. Every now and then Jim will thow out some controversial comments such as the .338-06 is the most worthless wildcat, etc... I think he is just trying to boost readership. Anybody that can't average better than 2 1/2" with factory ammo in a .270 is either making it up, a lousy shot, or simply has a bad rifle (whether a 17 lbs custom or an off the shelf wally-world special).

-Lou

I didn't know of Carmichaels history of dis'ing The .270 but it all sort of makes sense now that you all bring it to light . I just thought the whole article was a bit wierd in that it was supposedly an exhaustive test of the caliber , and it proved nothing . On the other hand if you take one rifle and test it how could you prove anything ? Just gave him something to write , I guess .

Oh shit.....I need to sell my two pre war 270s and my two pre 64 270s......and cancel the orders on my fifth and sixth ones being built....

270's are great rifles and accurate but a lot of accuracy is the guy squeezing the trigger. My son has my S&W 270 that shoots 1/2" groups. I load for a friend that has a S&W 270 and he gets 2" groups. I can sit down at his bench and shoot 1/2" groups with his rifle. A lot of accuracy problems are not the rifle but the owner.