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Hamish, it's not so much a "rise" you got out of me, just puzzling. I also have a 30.06 and it is definitely one of my favorites! I do love my 270 rifles and I've never ever had a problem killing game with them at long distance. Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns | |||
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Anyone remember Jack O'Connor? He didn't think much of the 270 either!    | |||
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I don't know that I've EVER bought a caliber because of its available components for reloading. That would be the furthest from my mind. I buy a rifle because I want it, or it's on sale at a reasonable price. I'd also say, for some that DO reload, many don't want an endless list of components....takes too long to try 'em all. Keeping it simple is my goal. I figure there's more reloaders out there that have their heart set on one or 2 bullets for a given rifle and application and they start working at the bench. One gun one bullet is what many go by. So, with that in mind, there is just as much choice in .277 than 7mm. I'd buy a 270 WSM over a 7mmWSM anyday. The 7 short mag just isn't that remarkable to me. In fact, none of the short mags are. Sure, they're nice, but at this point, I'd rather focus my money on more hunts than more rifles. Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns | |||
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As a fellow lefty, I was gonna say the same thing. We don't have access to a lot of the more esoteric caliber choices, so the good ol' .270 is a fine choice. The first rifle I ever bought was/is a Ruger M77 lefty in 270. I love that gun. _____________________________________________________ No safe queens! | |||
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As another leftie, my first rifle ever was a Ruger M77 in 270. Not long after, Ruger came out with the MK II, and in left hand. I took my first one back and traded it for the leftie MK II. Still have it, but now it wears a Hart bbl. Killed loooooooots of critters with that rifle. Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns | |||
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Good point.....IMO there's plenty of bullets available for the reloader in every caliber....including such things as 8MM, 270, .366 & .423 (404 J) maybe more in 30 cal but still a lot of choices in all calibers. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Right. I own a .270, and I couldn't begin to afford working up loads for all the bullets that are available. And if I did, I'd have shot the barrel out. Which would defeat the purpose of the exercise in the first place! | |||
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I agree. Can you imagine? What if you wanted 2 bullet loads for your 270, one, a plastic tipped medium game getter, the other, a tougher bullet. That's a LOT of powder, primers, and brass work, rangetime, etc.!! What if you wanted to see which bullet worked best: Nosler Btip, Hornady SST, Hornady interbond, Swift Scirocco, Remington Accutip and all the weights they come in, then the Aframe, all 4 partition weights, Barnes TSX, Then you have your Winchester/Nosler Combined technology with several of those, then you have your moly coated bullets. oops, I forgot all the tried and true cup/core bullets from Sierra, Speer, Hornady, Remington, Winchester, Wildcat AND ALL OF THE AVAILABLE WEIGHTS. Now, you try all of those with Winchester brass. Now you have to try Frontier brass, and Federal brass, and Remington brass, and PMC brass, and Norma Brass, and Nosler brass, because, you know, they all can make a difference. Don't forget all the primers. Gotta start all over again and use Federals, Federal Gold Medals, CCI, CCI benchrest, Remington, Winchester. Also, the 270 does great in some applications with magnum primers so you must try all of them too. Here's what I'd like to know: Just how many of us who rant and rave over components available per caliber actually HAVE to TRY more 50% of what's available just to find something that shoots? I think this whole "component" issue is really just a "bullet" issue. You can have too much of a good thing. I don't want to piss anyone off because I certainly don't mean to, but the whole "available components" issue is a wash. Where do you draw the line between what is an "adequate" selection, and "less than adequate" selection? Does this really boil down to just how many bullet weights are available per caliber? If that's the case, with respect to most medium sized calibers, then it's really a waste of time. A 150 grain partition from a 270 will knock an elk on its arse at 350 yards. And a 130 will kill any deer or caribou on earth. What else do you need? Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns | |||
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I think I will keep mine...this was with factory winchester ammo  Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I realize I'm one of the younger folks here as I'm only approaching 60 and have only hunted 54 years,I have never had to shoot an animal twice with the 270.When I lived in the south as a younger fellow we could kill 6 deer per year and if you wanted you could apply for management tags for doe's,I've killed as many as 10 deer in 1 year and some years only 6,thats alot of deer,never had to shoot one twice,ever.Here in Montana I use it on antelope,deer but grab the 300 mags for elk and moose.To say the 270 can't kill well is beyond me.I've killed way too many deer,pigs and bears with the 270 to count,but then again I'm most likely the youngest here.Drop-Shot | |||
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DS, More than likely your youth and inexperience will not be held against you! GWB | |||
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THANK YOU!  Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns | |||
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My 270 Win will never fade away. It is a great rifle. | |||
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I was a big O'Connor fan, but never could develop any interest in the .270. Really don't know why, as I lusted for years for a 7X57, which some might call a lesser cartridge. There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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not at all, nothing wrong with a 7x57, it's an excellent caliber. Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns | |||
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I seriously considered getting a 270 Win. in December. I all ready have a 7mm-06 (not a 280 Rem.), but considered it. Then the Sportsmans Warehouse had a CZ 550 in 6.5 X 55 Swede for $499 ... the Swede came home ... I all ready have the middle ground covered with the 7mm-06. The 270 is a good cartridge and PO Ackley considered actually in the magnum class because of it's bore to case capacity.  | |||
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I could never really see the magic Jack O'Connor found...I was more the Elmer Keith side of the equation. Rich DRSS | |||
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Vapo, Did you get an advance copy of this month's "American Rifleman?" It has a rather negative article on the .270. In politics as in theology! "The heart of the wise inclines to the right, But the heart of the fool to the left." Ecclesiastes 10:2 | |||
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Besides teh above wote, another postrefered to the short mags as a disaster (I am paraphrasing). I think the 30-06 and .270 Win are great cartridges, but the popularity of the .270 and .300 WSM's is here to stay. I don't believe that the WSM's are leaps and bounds better than the .270 win, 30-06, or 300WM, I think they perform very well, giving Magnum velocities and energy in a short action rifle. If you are purchasing hunting ammo with premium bullets, the ammo price is not that much different, and, especially with the .270 WSM, you get a advantage over the .270 win. Again, not a huge advantage, but if you are buying a new rifle in .270, makes sense to get the WSM. (I would not advocate trading a .270 win for a .270 WSM, unless you just really wanted to..teh difference in performance is not worth the price to me) This being said, I ahve a .270 WSM, .270 Win, and 30-06. I like them all. I will be giving my teenage boys the .270 win and 30-06, knowing that they will each have a rifle MORE than capable of taking any Norht American game they choose to hunt in their lifetime. You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose.....but you can't pick your friends nose! | |||
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This month's American Rifleman had an article on the 270. The author mentioned he was not a fan of the cartridge, and had received a lot or angry mail because of similiar statements he had made in 2002. Anyway what I thought was interesting was that he said reloading die sales indicated that the 270 Win was the third most popular, tied with the 30-30! I think the 30-06 was number one. | |||
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Actually, O'Connor himself had a highly favorable account of the 7X57 and sometimes praised it in print. As I recall, his wife, Eleanor, took a 7X57 to Africa and got something like 18 kills from 19 rounds of ammo with it. He also wrote that the .270 is like a magnum without the belt. (In those days "magnum" was practically synonomous with "belted" in centerfire rounds.) "How's that whole 'hopey-changey' thing working out for ya?" | |||
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Lloyd: Jack O. did like the 7X57. In his book "The Hunting Rifle," he has a chapter on it titled "Big Punch, Little Case." He used the cartridge early in his career, and his wife used it for years. I have a letter from him in response to a note I sent about my dream combo, back when I was about 23 years old, circa 1976: 7X57 and a .375. He agreed that with those two a fella was pretty well set for all the game animals in the world. There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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the .270 win is the most underrated cartridge on accuratereloading | |||
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because we have other rifles like the .280 for one. For me it is kind of like certain trucks see people driving them everyday they get the job done but just don't like some of them. Same thing with me and the 270 I just never really had a desire to own one. Now if I hunted with one a few times I might possibly change my mind, but a couple months ago I traded my 270wsm to a 7RM so next rifle I buy will either be smaller than a 270 or a lot bigger. "Science only goes so far then God takes over." | |||
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Well, since I'm up here in Ak., I'm kinda out of touch with the firearms situation everywhere else but.... I do know that my .270 Win. just simply works with 150 gr. Partitions. Period, end of story. It's a terrific sheep/caribou caliber and I'd use it on moose and grizzly if the opportunity arose. No, not my 1st choice for them but I'd be confident using it. Several months ago, I seriously thought about getting a .270 WSM. Since I shoot 150 gr. reloads exclusively, I ran all kinds of combinations thru Quickload. The greatest increase in velocity I could come up with was about 125 Fps more than my .270. After running those numbers thru Quicktarget, the difference in trajectory was not enough to make any practical difference. I scrapped the idea of getting a WSM. My pre-64 does just fine giving me under 1" groups consistantly and as mentioned above is just fine for caribou size animals. These are just my findings. Bear in Fairbanks P.S. Anyone having a pre-64, .270 Win. that they wanna scrap, send it to me. I'm more than willing to relieve you of it. B.I.F. Unless you're the lead dog, the scenery never changes. I never thought that I'd live to see a President worse than Jimmy Carter. Well, I have. Gun control means using two hands. | |||
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What's a 270 Winchester ? | |||
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 Maybe future generations will be asking the same question | |||
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I was just kidding. I know what a 270 win is but I have never seen the alure to it that some have. I feel that it is no where close to being the equal of the 30/06. The 06 will kick a 150 grainer out faster than the 270 will and once you start getting into the 180 grain and heavier bullets, the 270 isn't even in the same class. The way I see it, if I want something that is smaller than 30 caliber, I'll step down to the 25 or 26 calibers at the largest. I think a lot of the fans of the 270 are fans because they think it is a lot faster than it actually is. Some of the worst case of advertized velocity versus what they really did over the chronograph for factory ammo was with 270 win loads that some friends of mine have shot over my chrony. They didn't even come close to reaching advertized speeds. One of them was so disappointed when he saw my 30/06 was pushing 150 grainers out faster than his 130 grainers, he sold it and bought a 7mm rem mag. He got mad again when he saw that the factory 150 grain 7mm mag loads still didn't go any faster than the 30/06. | |||
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This issue is like asking if you like mom's apple pie. The .270 winchester is one of the best all around calibers in North America. Shoots flat, kicks little, hits like a sledgehammer. Need more speed in your 150 grainers? Try a caseful of reloder 22 and a magnum primer! .270 and Winchester M70. An American classic. | |||
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Yes John Deer tractors and Sako rifles....just doesn't get much better. | |||
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Hello vapo....yes....why? nobody knows as they are making new calibers monthly, Rgeards, Rick. John Deer tractors and Sako rifles....just doesn't get much better. | |||
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  It's a well balanced cartridge, as is the 30/06. You can't go wrong owning one that's for sure. The 06 has an edge in the bigger game dept. with the 180's. The 270 isn't anything to sneeze at for sure in the longe range game for deer. Look at some PBR charts. You just don't get much more with the big magnums without alot more recoil and muzzle blast. I have these: 35 whelen Rem. cdl,Howa 270 wsm in a hi tech stock and a 223 Rem SPS. My next purchase's: 270 win. Rem. CDL,30/06 in a savage weather warrior w/floorplate and 358 win. Browning BLR take down. I like guns! I've pretty much got it covered as is but I want more rifles.  Straight shootin to ya | |||
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I hope so!  I don't know why but it's a round I will never own. Maybe it;s just too common, maybe because everyone of my uncles & cousins shoot one, maybe because I have a beautiful .280 to hunt with.  LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT! | |||
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The apache guide I hired last fall uses a 270 with 130gr bullets for elk but he hits them in the neck thus not much is wasted. | |||
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Or a case full of Mag- Pro. Remember, forgivness is easier to get than permission. | |||
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Maybe, maybe not. I will respectfully disagree. I think a lot of those who are fans of the 270, BECAME fans of it after they used it. I didn't know squat about the various "deer calibers" when I bought my first rifle. I got a 270 because my boss had one. I didn't have any mentors. My father doesn't hunt. I had heard of 3 deer rifles (as I recall) when I got into it: 30.06, 270, and 30-30. My boss said the 30-30 will "work", the 30.06 "kicks pretty good" and the 270 is "just right." So, off to the gunstore I went and came home with a Ruger M77 270 topped with a Nikon 4x12x40. I didn't know or care anything about how fast it shot. What I did know was that it would work. When I began to reload, I was told to expect average speeds to be anywhere between 100-200 fps slower than what a manual stated. So I wasn't too heart broken. I know quite a few guys that have 270s and the reason they like them and shoot them is more sentimental than anything. I bought it on a whim because my boss liked it. It stuck with me and after putting down roughly 30 deer in 2 seasons in Alabama, I couldn't imagine not having one. I'm sure that if I started off with a 280, or 308 or whatever, I'd feel the same towards that caliber. There used to be an indoor shooting range/gunstore on South Memorial Parkway, in Huntsville, AL. I remember going there about a week after I bought my first rifle. I wanted to shoot my pistol, but they had just started carrying hunting rifles. I asked them what they recommend (father and son owned business)...the dad said a 270 is all you'll ever need for deer. The son, however, said as he gave me a rifle to hold, that the 7mm Rem Mag was a better choice because it shot faster. I must have deer hunted 2 years before I had even heard of a 280. Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns | |||
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They are extremly popular around here, on pawn shop shelves..  They have clearly lost some ground to the newfangled stuff, but I dont think they will be going away anytime soon. In fact Im sure the 270 will be around for a long, long time. It is still one of the most common calibers offered by manufacturters. | |||
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Tank: Welllll, I can guarendamntee you that I get 2937 fps with my. .270 and a case load of Rldr-22 and a 150 gr. Partition. I oughta know since I chrono it. You were getting more vel. with a .30-06 using a 150 gr. bullet than your buddy with a 130 gr. .270? I'm not doubting what you say but I find it quite interesting and something tells me there is a comparison of apples to oranges here. I'd guess your friend either isn't loading the .270 to it's potential or something else is going on here. Understand, I'm not trying to start a ".270 Win. beats the hell out of a .30-06" argument here. They both work and I've been impressed with the '06 on Alaskan animals. It's plain to me however that you have little or no first hand experience with the .270. I have been using it for years here in Ak. and in fact took my 1st caribou with one using a 130 gr. Partition & a case full of H-4831. I'm not gonna even give a range estimation on that one but suffice to say it was a longer shot than I should have taken. I wouldn't do it again. Perhaps it's fading in popularity in general, I don't know. I do know however, that it plain works and this from personal experience. Bear in Fairbanks Unless you're the lead dog, the scenery never changes. I never thought that I'd live to see a President worse than Jimmy Carter. Well, I have. Gun control means using two hands. | |||
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