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If a guy was inclined to use a 9,3X62 with factory ammo in Africa for DG like cape buffalo, what ammo would you suggest? Would the Norma 285 grain Oryx be a good choice? What would be the best bullet for buff for a handloader. Would the 286 grain Woodleigh protected points be a good choice? I have heard really good things about Ken Stewart's custom bullets for the 9,3. However, I can't seem to locate a source for them. Does anyone know how to get them? Dave Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | ||
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I personaly think the Oryx is a wee bit too soft for Buff, great for PG.. Woodleights PP 286grn would be the best., Just MHO MopaneMike | |||
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I have used the 9.3x62 to take a bunch of African game from dik dik to eland. I like the 250BT (now discontinued) for non-dangerous game and cats; the 286 Partition for really heavy stuff; the 286 Woodleigh soft and solid for buffalo. I keep chambered what we are hunting for at a given time, and keep other loads in my butt shell caddy. With judicious preparation and working up, you should be above to get 2600fps for the 250's, and 2400fps for the 286's. Remember that reliability is more important than velocity, which is why my African loads are about one grain lower and 33fps lower than max. I wrote three extended pieces in Reloading about my experiements with the 9.3. You might want to look those up if you are searching for loads. Many will recommend RL15 and other powders; however, I found Varget to be unbeatable for velocity and loaw pressure. My 9.3 is the rifle in my hands every day, unless I am hunting elephant. Kudude | |||
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I'd suggest 286 Nosler Partitions for everything except Buff. Driven at 2425 fps with RL-15 they kill like lightning bolts. Woodleighs are good for heavy game. Mike -------------- DRSS, Womper's Club, NRA Life Member/Charter Member NRA Golden Eagles ... Knifemaker, http://www.mstarling.com | |||
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I have used my 9,3x74R double on quite a bit of African game with the 286 Nosler Partition and the 286 Woodleigh Soft [also the 286 Woodleigh Solid where needed]. I killed my best cape buff with one 286 Woodleigh Soft. This bullet also works on ALL other plains game from klipspringer, jackel, civit cat,Impala [over a dozen] to Zebra. I have taken over 2 dozen Zebra, some with the Woodleigh, some with the Nosler. Both bullets gave excellent performance. To keep it simple just use 286gr Woodleigh Softs and Solids. You do not have to load them hot, my loads are under 2300fps. While I load my own, I have shot Superior Ammo and consider it excellent. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Blaser 286 CDP (made for Blaser in Thun/CH)is a very hard partition bullet that holds together and penetrates deeply. André DRSS --------- 3 shots do not make a group, they show a point of aim or impact. 5 shots are a group. | |||
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The best 9.3mm buffalo soft I have used is the 300grn Swift-A-Frame. Woodleigh solids in 286 and 320grn are great for 9.3 solids. I think the only Woodleigh 9.3 softs I would use on Buffalo would be the 320grn PP. imo the others are too soft. I would like to try the 9.3 BarnsX and the NORTH FORK range of bullets. | |||
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Ken Stuart is on +27-15-2899401 or email stewbullets@mweb.co.za at 2380fps I have found the regular Woodleighs way too soft for Buff. never tried the PP's. Never been able to drive the 286grn Barnes X fast enough to get reliable, even expansion from a 9,3x62. They work great out of a 9,3x64 | |||
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In addition to that, the 286 grs TSX is mighty long for the 9.3x62. IMHO, the better choice is the 250 grs. - mike ********************* The rifle is a noble weapon... It entices its bearer into primeval forests, into mountains and deserts untenanted by man. - Horace Kephart | |||
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Ganyana, perhaps the Woodleigh protected points would work better. According to the Woodleigh website, the recommended impact velocity for the Woodleigh round nose bullets is 1800 to 2200 fps. The recommended impact velocity for the protected points is 1900 to 2600 fps. My thought is that the round nose bullets were intended for 9,3X74R velocities and the protected points were for the 9,3X62 and 9,3X64. I think ozhunter had a good suggestion. Maybe the best choice would be a 300 grain Swift if you could get the 286 grain Woodleigh solids shooting to the same point of impact. Dave Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Wow, then the TSX ought to work real nicely in my 9.3x57. I has a looooooong leade. Thanks.  Aut vincere aut mori | |||
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Any idea what velocity you've been getting? I believe I'm just short of 2,400fps using Varget in a 24" bbl. I do seat them pretty long. | |||
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Guys, thanks for all your comments and suggestions. I ordered some 300 grain Swifts today and I intend to give them a try. If they work, I will order some 286 grain Woodleigh Solids and see if I can get them shooting to the same point of impact. Dave Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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With my 9,3x74R Double rifle I hit a cape buff in the center of the chest at @60 yards with a 286gr Woodleigh Soft as he was facing me. The bullet was recovered expanded perfectly with high retained weight. It clipped the top area of the heart. The buff was down and dead in less than 40 yards. My velocities are under 2300fps. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Rick With South African powders I can manage a 286grn Barnes X (haven't tried the TSX) up to 2200fps. Fine at very close range, but I find the they don't open evenly much beyond 75m. I must admit I haven't done much experimenting with them. Couldn't get the velocity I needed, so quickly gave up. Have loaded them for a few other lads using both S335 and S341 and had no real joy their either. Yes the 250grn would be fine, and make a nice lion load. | |||
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In the 9,3x62 or x74 I just do not see how you can go wrong with the 286 gr Nosler Partition or the 286gr Woodleigh Soft. I have used both from point blank [ie finishing shots] to hits as far as 300 yards with perfect results in my x74 double. They have given perfect performance on small game, up to cape buff. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Andre CDP's are not exportable from EU - for those not familliar with - CDP is a kinda cross between A-frame and Barnes X bullet...BTW guys - did anybody compared actual results between Woodleigh softs and Norma's Oryx? | |||
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 A 9.3 Swift and some Woodleighs from Cape Buffalo. | |||
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I have just developed a load for my Sako 9.3x62 using 250gn Barnes TSXs. Using ADI 2206H I have got an average of 2530 FPS and excellent accuracy with no signs of pressure. Have not used it in anger yet though but hope to do a Sambar hunt here in Australia with it in the near future. I have heard very positive reports of Privy Partisan 286gn (known here as Highland AX) factory ammo here in Aus on Buff in the Northern Territory. In my rifle it is accurate and chronoed just over 2200 fps. I would be very hesitant to use it on buff without further some form of confirmation, though. | |||
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Oz, did you have to load your 286 grain Woodleigh solids down to get them shooting to the same point of impact as the 300 grain Swifts? Dave Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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BushmanDK, The RWS EVO would be way too soft IMO. I'm presently running a field test with the EVO in different calibers (.30-06, 7x64, .300 Win, 9,3x74R, 9,3x62). So far 2 wild boars, 2 roedeer and 1 fox have been shot). All had fast expansion in common. At this point, I'm inclined to compare the EVO with the Norma Oryx, which wouldn't be much of a surprise, considering company ownership... André DRSS --------- 3 shots do not make a group, they show a point of aim or impact. 5 shots are a group. | |||
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My experience with the Nosler 250-grain Ballistic Tip was on elk, where the bullet blew up on the shoulder joint without penetrating into the body cavity. I don't have direct experience with the 9.3 in Africa, but for my self would choose the Nosler Partion for all plains game and buffalo and the Woodleigh for a solid. One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got into my pajamas I'll never know. - Groucho Marx | |||
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If you going to shoot buff with a 9;.3x62 the North Fork cup points are the best bullet for that, hands down, no contest...North Fork softs are also very good, but I would just use the cup points for everything..It makes a heck of a caliber out of the 9.3x62.. The 320 gr. Woodleighs are good but you need a 26" tube and max load of RL-15 to get the needed velocity IMO... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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N E 450 No2: Were you using the Woodleigh round nose bullets or the protected points? Dave Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Dave It was the standard round nose. It was perfectly mushroomed. I have recovered them from finishing shots on Zebra fired at poing blank range into the front of the chest cavity so recovery would be possible. They held together perfect. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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If you have it available in your area you might try Ramshot Big Game. 65gr with a 286gr. Nosler Part. gives me a very consistant 2425fps out of my 22 inch barrel Ruger. This load has been pressure tested by John Barsness and is under 60Kpsi(Note: See Dec-07 issue#250 of Handloader article "Medium Mediums".) Accuracy is excellent with 3 shots generally under 2" at 100 yds.outside of hole to outside of hole, if I do my part. This load has worked well for me on eland, wildebeest, hartebeest and lesser game. Here at home I had my second full-length shot on an elk this year, entered left ham and was under the hide of the right front shoulder. Penitrated the full gut,lungs etc. at about 60+ yds.elk did not go far. I used 232gr Norma Oryx's here and on some lighter game in Namibia and they open up very quickly but stay together very well also. At first I tried Varget with the lighter bullets and got nearly 2700fps but POI was significantly higher than with the 286 and Big Game. So, I tried 65gr of Big Game with the 232 Normas and was very pleased. This load yielded 2550fps with the POI only an inch or two higher than the 286gr. NP's, with better accuracy from my rifle than the Varget loads. This worked very well on impala and kudu in Namibia, and pronghorns and deer here at home. Very impressive exit wounds on broadside shots with several DRT drops. | |||
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With my 9.3 Blaser, I have a mild velocity of 2310fps with the 300grn Swifts and 2340fps with the Woodleigh 286grn bullets. During load testing they always shot within 1" of each other and alway above and below and not shooting to the left or right of each other. | |||
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Ray, I checked with North Fork. While I am sure they are great bullets, they don't have any 9.3's on hand. Here is what they told me: "I have neither soft point or solids in stock in 366 caliber at present. The 366 is not really all that big of a seller and, as such, usually winds up taking back seat to other calibers. Basically, it is the squeaky wheel gets the grease and, I'm afraid, the 366 doesn't squeak loud enough to get put on the production schedule very often. I don't have an idea of a time line as to when they may be produced again. Sorry" Maybe they will become available at a later date. Dave Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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The reply I got was they might not feed Well and must be tested. I would still like to try the North forks Cup points. I won't go to to much trouble to get them though as the Swift softs have done me good so far. I have had good results with the 320grn Woodleighs at a MV of 2240fps from a standard Husqvarna with full penetration most of the time. | |||
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Dave As far as "regular" factory goes, in my 9,3x74R I have used the Norma 285 Alaska and 285 Sellier & Belliot. I would consider both of them too soft for really big stuff. However I did shoot one deer facing me at about 40 yards with a RWS 293 gr TUG. Now they call it the UNI Classic. It gave complete penetration, even breaking the rear ham bone on the way out. This is the only SP bullet that has given me complete penetration on such a shot. I recently bought some of this factory ammo and hope to shoot some pigs with it over the next few months. However I still think if you can find some 286gr Woodleigh Softs they will do anything you would require of a soft in the 9,3x62. The beauty of them is they work on all game from a klipspringer to a cape buff. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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N E 450 No2: At Ozhunter's suggestion, I ordered some 300 grain Swifts and they are on the way along with a new spotting scope (Merry Christmas to me!!). I will give the Swifts a try. Next time I call in and order to Midway, I will get some 286 grain Woodleigh protected points to try as well. I shoot the protected points in my .375 and they have worked well for me. I usually run my 9,3X62 at around 2360 fps and the protected points have a bit higher recommended impact velocity. You are indeed correct, if you could get a good quality soft and a solid of the same weight shooting to the same point of impact, it would be the best solution. I'll let you know how everything works out. Dave Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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I shot my eland with a 9.3x62 using PMP Pro Amm. I was supposed to use handloaded North Forks but they decided to give me pressure problems on location. The gun went boom and the eland died. | |||
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Just a question.. How do big game react diffrently between a 30-06 and 220 grain bullets, and a 9,3x62 with a 286grain bullet? Both should penetrate the almost the same, both having a SD above .3, but the 9,3 has a bigger surface, and should open up alot more. | |||
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Due to the fact that it is usually illegal to use 30cal on big game for sportsmen, you may not get a experienced answer, but for what its worth I think unless you hit the nerve system with a solid you might be up for a long follow up. If you use standard 320grn softs I would doubt you will get sufficient penetration and again a long follow up might be required . | |||
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Im not thinking on Elephant etc.. but rather moose, bear, elk, wild boar. | |||
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coorect me if I'm wrong, but I think if you hit the same sized animal in the same place, the larger bullet with the larger frontal area, and the increased energy from the heavier bullet would have more effect. But, dead is dead, you can't kill something more or less. If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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I haven't used it in the 9.3 but I would suspect similar performnace as the 300 gr. .375 bullet, which I have used to ding several buff. Also I agree that Nosler Partitions are too soft for buff, but great for everything smaller. I get close to 2400 fps with the Swifts using RL-15. The problem with posts like this is guys suggest everything, including the 243 Win. and slingshots, using Mumbo bullets to rocks. You are already in borderline country using the 9.3x62 on buff. Just use the 300 gr. Swifts and quit screwing around. ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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And all this worry about whether the softs and solids shoot to the same place is quite silly. It would probably take an act of God to make any of them shoot significantly different at 50 to 100 yards. At 25 yards, what difference is there? If you are chucking bullets at buffalo over 100 yards to are too far away. ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Will, I think that is pretty good thinking from both you and Oz  Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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