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Remington 7600 accuracy?
01 March 2018, 07:34
Mike_DettorreRemington 7600 accuracy?
What has been your experience with these pumps regarding accuracy?
I know the autos were historically inaccurate.
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.
What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
01 March 2018, 10:11
CougarzI had a 760 .30-06 many years ago in the late 70's. It was the first new rifle I ever bought. If I remember correctly it was about as accurate as a typical bolt action. I eventually traded it for a Husqvarna lightweight 06. Loved that rifle and wish I still had it.
Roger
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01 March 2018, 14:55
hivelosityI have two rem 760's a 35rem and a 30/06.
They are both mOA. with handloads.
01 March 2018, 15:05
ar coreyIn the 270 Winchester, I handloaded some 140 grain Hornady Interlocks, better than MOA.
01 March 2018, 15:12
Samuel_HoggsonAm surprised to read the positive posts. My luck was not so good, evidently. Spent a fair amount of effort to make a couple shoot. Both '06. 3 MOA was about it.
01 March 2018, 15:50
jeffeossoMike,
i've got more experience with the autos.. sample set of 2 pumps -- one was 1.5" with tuned loads, other was right at an inch with anything you put in it.
01 March 2018, 15:50
vapodogmy first rifle was a 760 in .270 win....it was OK for a deer rifle but accuracy didn't live up to bolt acton standards. Usually groups ran 2 1/2 inches or so. It was a mistake because while I didn't know it at that time, what Ireally should have purchased was a M-70 in .243....something more of varmint rifle.
The Remington pump didn't have a nice clean breaking trigger pull like the M-700 rifles of the time and at the age of 16, I wasn't about to mess with the trigger.
Many years after I traded it off, a friend bought a 7600 in .30 caliber and asked for help sighting it in.....that rifle shot extremely accurate....it was surprisingly accurate with many groups in the 1" range.
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I had a 35 Whelen that shot any factory ammo you fed it sub 1 inch. Like a fool I traded it away.
Being from PA I have seen many pumps and it is a rare one that does not shoot well.
01 March 2018, 17:14
ar coreyquote:
Originally posted by LJS:
I had a 35 Whelen that shot any factory ammo you fed it sub 1 inch. Like a fool I traded it away.
Being from PA I have seen many pumps and it is a rare one that does not shoot well.
760 or 7600?
01 March 2018, 17:18
snowmanI have experience with several Rem pump 760's and 3 740 & 742's. The pumps were all capable of 1 to 1 1/2 in groups @ 100 yds BUT a couple of them were fussy about what bullet you shot. The 760's were in 30-06, 308, 280, 270 and a 243. One 30-06 would group Rem PSP 165 or 180 gr into 1 in and all other bullets into 3 inchs. The 280 would shoot everthing into 1 1/4 inch groups. Kind of wish I hadn't sold that rifle. The 243 was also capable of 1 in groups.
I still have my Dad's 740 in 30-06 that was bought in 1959. It will group the first two rds into about 1 1/2 inch @ 100yds . The next two or 3 shots will also be in an inch and a half group BUT it will be 2 inchs higher than the first two rds. A couple other 742's (06 and a 306) also walk the POI up as they warm up.
Maybe not the best varmit guns but certainly minute of deer.
01 March 2018, 17:19
ar coreyquote:
Originally posted by Samuel_Hoggson:
Am surprised to read the positive posts. My luck was not so good, evidently. Spent a fair amount of effort to make a couple shoot. Both '06. 3 MOA was about it.
Did you try a rebarrel?
01 March 2018, 17:28
LabmanI've been shooting deer in PA with my 760 in .308 Win using Hornady 150 Gr. Interlocks. Works great. It shoots groups around 1.25-1.5 inches at 100 yds. I load all my own ammo. I never did much experimenting with this gun since where I hunt I don't get many shots over 100 yds. I tried IMR 4064, 4320 and RL15 in my rifle and found IMR 4320 to be the most accurate with the Hornady bullet. Never tried any other bullets. A friend just bought a used 760 in 30/06 and is very pleased with the accuracy. His gun shoots right at 1" with H4350 and 165 Gr. Hornadys.
Tom Z
NRA Life Member
01 March 2018, 19:34
Andy#3I have a 7600 that was rebored to 35 Whelen, with a fast twist (1:10). It shoots 3 different factory loads just under an inch. I run 310 grain woodleighs in it, for the Idaho timber. I just picked up a 243, that I haven't shot yet. I replaced the trigger spring in them, and filed the sear, to get rid of creep. Both guns have skinny 3 lb triggers, with minimal creep (almost none). The main thing with shooting these, especially off the bench, is to support the forearm and don't touch the barrel. It's full length floated, and anything touching the barrel will open up your groups....big time! Andy#3
01 March 2018, 19:49
larrysI had an old, plain Remington 76 in 30-06 that I never should have gotten rid of. It shot 1-1.5". It was a hoot to shoot. Way back in the 1980s I even used it as my rifle in one IPSC 3-gun match. Well, the groups really open up when they get THAT hot. But it was fun.
No checkering and inexpensive, but a great working rifle.
Larry
"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading" -- Thomas Jefferson
01 March 2018, 19:54
Samuel_Hoggsonquote:
Originally posted by ar corey:
Did you try a rebarrel?
Neither was mine. Both experiments arose from requests to work up loads that would make them shoot. Most '06 projects respond favorably, but not those two. Well, they shot better - just not what I'd want.
AR Corey: My 35 Whelen was I believe a 7600. It had the 22 inch barrel. For what it's worth Grice's Gun Shop is taking deposits for a run of 35 Whelen Carbines (18" barrel) with synthetic stocks coming up soon. The price is about $650 if I remember correctly.
01 March 2018, 20:37
D HumbargerI have been useing a 760 in 06 to deer hunt since 1974. Extremely accurate, always shot under an inch @ 100 yds. I switched to a 7600 because i wanted to update with the newer and better locking lug system. I rebarrel and chambered it o my favorite cartridge the 338/06 it is also extremely accurate under 7/8" but it wears a Lothar Walther SS 1400 contour barrel.
Doug Humbarger
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01 March 2018, 20:39
Mike_DettorreThanks for all the responses.
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
01 March 2018, 21:57
ar coreyquote:
Originally posted by snowman:
I still have my Dad's 740 in 30-06 that was bought in 1959. It will group the first two rds into about 1 1/2 inch @ 100yds . The next two or 3 shots will also be in an inch and a half group BUT it will be 2 inchs higher than the first two rds.
That was my experience with my brothers 7600. At 100 yards the first shot would go exactly where aimed. The next two would clover leaf just under MOA. I once shot a gallon milk jug at 100 yards and aimed at the middle. The first shot was perfectly centered from the bench. I should have taken a picture.
My Dad's 760, also chambered 270 Winchester, served him well as a moose rifle in the 70's and 80's. He shot the Winchester Silvertips, 150 grain. A serious bush gun. My father once shot two moose in a row. He only remembers firing once at each moose yet there was two holes in each moose chest. Proves the speed of the pump action.
01 March 2018, 22:05
ar coreyThe 760 and 7600 require trigger jobs and avoid desert environments.
01 March 2018, 22:57
wasbeemanA fellow that is used to shooting a bagged-in bolt rifle from a bench probably isn't gonna be too impressed with the performance of the pump or auto. I've never hunted with either but I've known several folks that did and they killed a lot of deer.
Aim for the exit hole
01 March 2018, 23:08
bartsche
I've owned two in 30-06 and thought they were the best walk around rifle to be had. A buddy of mine used an 06 Mod.760 with an 18" barrel. They were a matched pair. He and that rifle claimed many Elk and mule deer.
roger
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01 March 2018, 23:19
ar coreyquote:
Originally posted by wasbeeman:
A fellow that is used to shooting a bagged-in bolt rifle from a bench probably isn't gonna be too impressed with the performance of the pump or auto. I've never hunted with either but I've known several folks that did and they killed a lot of deer.
Not necessarily, many bolt action hunters are satisfied with MOA.
01 March 2018, 23:25
ar coreyquote:
Originally posted by bartsche:
I've owned two in 30-06 and thought they were the best walk around rifle to be had. A buddy of mine used an 06 Mod.760 with an 18" barrel. They were a matched pair. He and that rifle claimed many Elk and mule deer.
roger
I've never shot a 760 or 7600 chambered for 30-06. The extra weight of the rifle would serve that caliber perfectly.
02 March 2018, 01:14
TX NimrodCurrent M7600 walnut stock 22” barrel = 7-1/2 lbs
Current M700 BDL 22” barrel = 7-3/8 lbs
Both are chambered in .30-06. The M7600 weighs 2 ounces more than the M700.......
Contrary to what many believe, the M760/M7600 rifle’s are not heavy compared to more common bolt rifles. I’ve had my M7600 in .338-06 for over thirty years and love carrying and shooting it. Not for everyone, these rifles are accurate hunting rifles.
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02 March 2018, 03:50
Samuel_HoggsonAm encouraged by the accuracy reports. Turns out I will be messing with my 3rd 7600 in '06 this spring/summer. This one is a friend's 18.5" carbine, in about new condition. Feels distinctly less muzzle-heavy than the 22" versions - and very fast (weight between the hands).
Will start with the usual - 180gr PSPCL/IMR-4350. On deck: H414, 4320, 4064, IMR-4831.
If it shoots may get one myself.
02 March 2018, 04:06
ar coreyquote:
Originally posted by TX Nimrod:
Current M7600 walnut stock 22” barrel = 7-1/2 lbs
Current M700 BDL 22” barrel = 7-3/8 lbs
Both are chambered in .30-06. The M7600 weighs 2 ounces more than the M700.......
Contrary to what many believe, the M760/M7600 rifle’s are not heavy compared to more common bolt rifles. I’ve had my M7600 in .338-06 for over thirty years and love carrying and shooting it. Not for everyone, these rifles are accurate hunting rifles.
.
TX,
My father's 760 is the deluxe Gamemaster with the Monte Carlo cheek piece stock, weave checkering and wide slide action forearm from the 70's. The rifle has a 22" barrel and weighs more than 7 1/2 pounds.
02 March 2018, 04:08
ar coreyPerhaps the newer 7600's weigh only 7 1/2 pounds, I really don't know.
02 March 2018, 10:08
wasbeemanquote:
Originally posted by ar corey:
quote:
Originally posted by wasbeeman:
A fellow that is used to shooting a bagged-in bolt rifle from a bench probably isn't gonna be too impressed with the performance of the pump or auto. I've never hunted with either but I've known several folks that did and they killed a lot of deer.
Not necessarily, many bolt action hunters are satisfied with MOA.
And what is wrong with a bolt hunting rifle that shoots a 5 shot MOA? I think you'll find that many, many more 5 shot, MOA shooters exist in cyberspace than on the firing line. My point was directed at shooters that practice year around. I've also know hunters that pull old trusty-rusty out of the closet, find that partial box of ammo from last year, and go hunting. Quite a few of them bring home the venison.
My actual point was that bolt action rifles, as a rule, are much more accurate than pumps or autos. But pumps and autos are plenty accurate enough to kill a deer.
Aim for the exit hole
I have owned a couple 7600 and worked up loads for another. All were fairly easy to get around 1" or close, but the limiting factor was the triggers on the guns. My 280 7600 really shoots, but has a pretty good trigger too. For hunting in the timber, they are hard to beat, and they do take a little getting used too if you are a bolt gun shooter.
02 March 2018, 14:50
ar coreyquote:
Originally posted by wasbeeman:
quote:
Originally posted by ar corey:
quote:
Originally posted by wasbeeman:
A fellow that is used to shooting a bagged-in bolt rifle from a bench probably isn't gonna be too impressed with the performance of the pump or auto. I've never hunted with either but I've known several folks that did and they killed a lot of deer.
Not necessarily, many bolt action hunters are satisfied with MOA.
And what is wrong with a bolt hunting rifle that shoots a 5 shot MOA? I think you'll find that many, many more 5 shot, MOA shooters exist in cyberspace than on the firing line. My point was directed at shooters that practice year around. I've also know hunters that pull old trusty-rusty out of the closet, find that partial box of ammo from last year, and go hunting. Quite a few of them bring home the venison.
My actual point was that bolt action rifles, as a rule, are much more accurate than pumps or autos. But pumps and autos are plenty accurate enough to kill a deer.
I would not attempt a 400 yard shot with a 5 MOA rifle, bolt or pump. My standard is 1/2 MOA which isn't too hard to achieve these days.
02 March 2018, 21:50
larrysCorey, he said 5 shot MOA, not 5 MOA.
Larry
"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading" -- Thomas Jefferson
02 March 2018, 22:55
wasbeemanquote:
My standard is 1/2 MOA which isn't too hard to achieve these days.
especially in cyberspace.
Aim for the exit hole
02 March 2018, 23:22
ar coreyquote:
Originally posted by larrys:
Corey, he said 5 shot MOA, not 5 MOA.
Thanks Larry.
02 March 2018, 23:22
ar coreyquote:
Originally posted by wasbeeman:
quote:
My standard is 1/2 MOA which isn't too hard to achieve these days.
especially in cyberspace.
Yes including this forum. Agreed.
02 March 2018, 23:49
ar coreyAbout the only problem with these rifles is how to attach a sling. You can't use a barrel band.
And why can't you use a barrel band. You really don't know much do you.
03 March 2018, 02:20
Fury01GroveTech makes a nice barrel band for the 760 that completely surrounds the barrel. I bought one for the son-in-law recently and it worked great. Others did too. I've had a split clamp one on mine for over 25 years. Don't remember who made it. Uncle Mike's is my guess. It's got a few thousand miles on it.
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I used a barrel band on my Whelen and it was no problem.
03 March 2018, 04:18
ar coreyquote:
Originally posted by DIs:
And why can't you use a barrel band. You really don't know much do you.
If you want to shoot with the sling, the barrel is completely free floated. You will degrade accuracy tremendously.