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Re: bullet weight vs. velocity
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"I have shot and seen too many elk and Bison and even a few Cape Buffalo shot with 45-70, 45-90 and big black powder 50s to ever consider using one on game anymore. That is the biggest misconception in todays hunting world...I learned it the hard way as will those who toast them.

These guns wound more game than they kill, people just don't tell anyone about that," Ray ain't wrong
The last grizzly killed in Colorado was killed with a 45-70 on Grand Mesa. The shotist used 5 shots at close rang and a lot of toilet paper before old Three Toes came to rest. True story roger
 
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You can go as heavy and slow as you want to as long as things are kept into perspective and certian criterion are met. Such as bullet construction needs to be compatible with the velocity and both should be compatible with the chosen game and range limitations.



I dont think that too many people actually believe that a 45-70 and cape buffalo are a good mix. But an even slower 44 Magnum with properly constructed bullets will do a bang up job on smaller game as long as its within reasonable expectations and distances.



The biggest drawback to that kind of heavy and slow is that it usually means its going to get a lot slower pretty quick so carefull attention to range limitations are an absoloute must.
 
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Thank you, Ray; your 2150 fps falls in the range 2100-2400 I keep finding in books by rather experienced hunters, including Gregor Woods' fine book, which I'm reading just now. None of the authors have addressed directly, though, the speeds near 1900 fps, hence my query.

Sauer 150: it's a rolling block, a modern replica based on the old smokeless military jobs. In principle, it should take a bit more than the 9.3x74R, but I'd rather not test the limits of this particular action. Handloading to lower pressures would be my course with that cartridge.

Several have recommended the .45-70. I can't think of an iron clad reason not to use it, but I don't think it's the direction I wish to go with this.

Thanks all,

Karl
 
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