Had a little experience today that gave me an idea for a posting.

Alot of guys got pissed at my having a the opinion a 300 Mag is not meant for deer.
And even more pissed with my Joke Post about a 300 for Prairie Dogs.

Then I got to deal with the neighbor's Cat.

In the words, of Rodney King :"can't we all just get along?" I thought maybe we could all agree on something about the 300 Mags.

While I think it is way too much on most deer, It strikes me it is about caliber minimum on Cats! We are talking Neighborhood, Old Lady's Cats. With names like Buttons, or FiFi, or Foo.

Any of my 300 Mag opponets share this USE for the cartridge?

Who said we can't settle our differences?

NAAAA! calibre too small got to be a min 0.40 to be a real cat gun

[ 07-01-2003, 12:55: Message edited by: Bad Ass Wallace ]

Somebody needs to get a life.

Tell me, seafire, were you sexually abused as a small child by a 300 Mag user or something? Did your mama leave your papa for a 300 Mag user? Did the biggest buck you ever saw die in your crosshairs before you could pull the trigger--because he was shot by a 300 Mag user?

If not, you have no excuse for these posts and you are nothing but an AssClown.

If so, I'm sorry. Please seek professional help.

I kinda like my 300 mag with 125gr Ballistic tips on local groundhogs. I know it is major overkill, but it sure is fun! Beats buying another rifle just for piggies...

Jon A:

Why don't you just give your 300 Mag a blow job the next time you are in the bathroom masterbating over it.

I own a 300 Mag also 8@#%head.! However when I use it, I use it for something that needs it.
Either with a 220 grain bullet exiting out of the barrel at about 2950, or a 200 grain exiting at about 3050fps.

Heck an '06 will give me 2825 to 2850 with a 200 grain Nosler or Speer, and carry two extra shots in the magazine in the process.

From a good rest I can drop something at 400 yds with the "06, and further with the 300 Mag. If I need bigger I also have a couple of 338 Mags, sold the 340 Weatherby, to build a 338/06.
The 338 Mags pretty much shoot a 250 grain for its light bullet, and the 275 grain Speer ( until I run out of the 500 I bought when they quit making them). There loaded at Max load plus a little extra.

Bigger I traded my 416 Remington off, but kept my 444 Marlin which shoots pretty much maxed out 300 gr Hornady XTPs for hunting.

Naw, guys like me match the gun to the game I am hunting. When I need a Magnum, then I beleive in carrying one! And It will breathe all the fire, brimstone and punch out of the end of the barrel that it can without blowing the dam thing apart.

I can't see why some guy would carry a 300 Mag with any bullet smaller than a 180 grain, which I look at as just generic. Do it right or you are just pissing in the wind. If it ain't near redline with a 200 or 220 grain bullet, why bother.

Course Tarzan type guys like you know that sort of stuff. I am sure you even do the Tarzan yell after each shot, and beat your chest like a gorilla. It is after all, part of the gun magazine mystic that comes with owning a magnum!

If you think I am an ass and a clown; how about opening your eyes the next time you might be brushing your teeth or shaving, ( If you do that sort of unMacho type stuff). You will probably be seeing a bigger ass!!

"Yup, I kilt that deer at 1500 yards with my XXX Mag! Blew his scrawny ass to hell and back! Man do I know how to hunt or Not???" AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAWWW!
Dream on Peter Pan!!

People who relate specific calibers and guns too "needs", are poster children for those who want to control firearms by rank of power. Just look at England and permits where one "need" only a certain caliber for matched game.
Also, it is my opinion that those who tell others to masterbate with their firearms... because of their own disgust in what others choose to hunt with... cant handle freedom.


You are rapidly making a name for yourself, thats for sure.

Seafire, I should to tell your mother to restrict your computer usage if you persist with these trivial posts. However, you do give me something to laugh about.

I, and I would bet the farm that I am not in the minority of mature members in this aspect, load for accuracy. There is a point where I consider velocity below acceptable, in which case I experiment with a different powder. Individuals with less experience or more juvinile intellect, or poor marksmanship, will usually consider velocity more important than accuracy.

I believe .30 cal is a very good match for most North American big game. For the hunter who only wants one rifle, it is the logical choice. It also stands to reason that a man that always works with the same rifle is going to obtain familiararity as well as knowledge of it's exterior ballistics.

Seafire, I do not have any statistics on this so I must ask you, What percentage of big game rifles sold in the U.S. are .284" or larger?

As to your disparage of 180gr bullets from a .30 magnum, What North American big game animal could not be humanely taken by a skilled marksman, with restraint to wait for the correct shot opportunity, who is knowledgable in game anatomy (in short, a HUNTER!) with this caliber and bullet combo?

Seafire, you can save yourself a lot of time if you post the caliber YOU want everyone to use, along with tractory and wind drift to what ever max range YOU believe we should take game.

Ruff,

I have no argument with you. I have read your posts and YOU are a man I have no problem with carrying any firearm, in any caliber. BECAUSE I DON'T QUESTION YOUR EXPERIENCE, OR YOUR ABILITY TO USE WHATEVER YOU ARE SHOOTING!!!

Anyone who can put a bullet in the boiler, of what they hunt, and it is a proper bullet construction to take their quarry, is what is going to make a kill. Not the caliber, not the barrel length, or anything else. Bullet placement is everything.

My point back to Jon A is that, I see way too many owners of 300s ( the most common Mag) that can't handle it. 7 Mags are more common, but since they kick a lot less than a 300, more of their shooters can handle them. I don't think there are 5 handloaders in the USA that own a Mag of any type that don't know how to handle it.

It is called experience with it. Too many guys don't have the experience others in here do.
Cracks me up that people get their shorts in such a knot when anyone doesn't agree with their little cartridge. These site proves to me, that Mag owners are the most sensitive about it, because they beleive they have some RAY GUN with magical shot placement. Just aim it and shoot.!

Well, I don't want to be in the woods with anyone who is shooting a 180 grain slug, and can't hit Texas with it. Too many "Hunters" who carry a mag, can't shoot it and shouldn't have one. It is not about Freedom, it is not about choice. It is about RESPONSIBILITY. Do YOU want to be hunting in the woods with someone who shoots at something first, and wonders what it was second? When you shoot at long range and you don't have the ability to do so, that is exactly what you are doing. Shooting a bullet out there, you really only THINK you know where it is going.

If someone has a 300 yd gun, are they are 300 yard shooter???

Besides this is all Null and Void anyway. Remember, Long Mags are now Un Cool. We all need the smashing power of the Short Ultra Mags!

My velocity on my 300 Mag. I am blessed with a Browning A Bolt that shoots as accurate as hell, with any velocity and any bullet type I have put in it. It also carries a 4 power scope with a 40mm objective. Its mission in my hunting is Heavy Game at 200 to 250 yrds. Big game at 400 yds is still bigger targets on 4 power than a lot of deer are at 200 yds on 6 power (about the max power I ever use , except shooting prairie dogs and ground squirrels).

Definition of big game is Elk and Bear. Don't hunt for Moose or anything else. Don't hunt where I am on the menu if I can't shoot.

And as far as making a name for myself: Contrary to what some of you guys DISAGREE with there are some that actually agree with it. I respect other peoples opinions until they want to attack me, believe me I will return fire, period.
People that have seen me shoot, and hunt really don't question what I have to say, because they have seen it in action. I don't think a dam thing I have to say is gospel, it is only formed opinion based on experiences and things I have seen.

And guys like Ruff Hewn, ( I believe) shoots ground hogs and like things with a 300. That makes me shiver, especially in places back east with big population centers compared to where I like now,. However when he tells us that he likes to shoot ground hogs with a 300 Mag because he likes the way that they explode, I get a different opinion instantly. First of all, if they are exploding, he is hitting them!
And if he is hitting them, then he knows how to shoot what he is carrying. Hell, then I would pull out my 300 and have a good time with him.

Aw ya know, sticks and stones.....

a 240 grain matchking.....

well that explains exactly what I mean about the average 300 Mag guy.

A 300 Short Mag, trendy this year, and a 240 grain match king ( that the factory even highlights that they don't recommend as a game bullet all over their literature)

and at 15 yrds, enough range with that horse power?.

I assume that is sarcasm, in fact I hope it is.

got mine last year thru a clear cut, at 300 yds with a 260 Remington with a 3 x9 scope on 4x, Leupold with a dot reticle. Had the luxury of a friends 1986 Ford F 250s hood for a rest. Watched the deer drop in the scope.

At 15 yds, were you able to see the deer in your 8 to 32 x 50MM scope??

If it is sarcasm, at least Jon I am impressed that someone with a 300 mag actually has a sense of humor. Many of them don't seem to in here.
They act like I am pissing on their wife or girlfriend.

While much of my prior posts was sarcasm, those facts were not.

With my rekindled interest in long range shooting, I had my 300 Win rechambered for 300 RUM. A new toy! I hadn't had this much fun with the rifle since I bought it as a teenager.

Since I never have enough time for anything, I decided not to mess around with shitty bullets while trying to hone my LR shooting skills so I jumped right to a proven performer at LR--the 240. It didn't disappoint. I also had some 180 XLC's and Sciroccos on hand but didn't get far in the load developement for them.

So I knew the 240 load inside and out. I knew its accuracy and had confidence in it. I knew its trajectory. I practiced much at 400, 500, 600, 700 and even a bit at 800 yds with that load. Given the importance of shot placement, that load was my best bet. I did penetration tests that told me the bullet was more than enough for a whitetail deer. So that's the load I took afield.

While I didn't need precision at 800 yds for the buck I shot, had I chosen to drop the hammer on any one of the numerous bucks I was scoping out just a few minutes earlier well beyond the 1/4 mile mark, it may have come in handy. Where I hunt Whitetails there is a riverbottom filled with trees and dense brush (classic still-hunting terrain)--but as soon as you step out of it you can see deer over a mile away. Just because I and my rifle were ready for a long shot, should I have decided to take one, doesn't mean we couldn't get the job done at close range.

No problem seeing him in the scope (3.5 power in the brush). Neither the Harris nor the 26" A-Bolt barrel got in the way. It wasn't quite as handy to carry as the old 30-30 but it got the job done. And it could have gotten the job done in situations the 30-30 could not have.

In case you're wondering, he wasn't some two year old spike, either:



When is the last time you snuck up on a big guy like this in the brush?

The point is I use this rifle for everything and know it well. When I can nail my gong over and over with it at 800 yds, I have confidence in it that you don't get any other way.

None of that goes away at closer ranges or on smaller animals. It just increases. Anything that helps one cleanly harvest the game (be it confidence, familiarity, extra horsepower or all of those) is absolutely nothing but a good thing.

Seafire,
you sure do lose a lot of credibility when you resort to cursing to prove a point...Thats troll stuff IMO and should be left out of posts that younger folks might read....

Stick to the facts and make your case based on good sound statements, you will do better on the African forum..at least from what I have seen in the past.

Jon A:

Nice buck, and very nice rack. Congratulations.

Ruff... NO worries... Seafire is much like woman who cannot make up her mind. He berates the cartridges "unmatched" with game, then he praises the cartridge, then he berates the shooters who shoot them, which apparently make up most of the bad shots anywhere in the country. Seafires buddies, the ones that really know him... they would never question his authorty on any shooting subject, and know that he means bizzness. "Period!!"

Ohhh those 300 magnum owners. If only they knew and if only they wouldnt try to be so "macho"? and just adhere to Seafires ways.
Pull your armchair in closer... he'll learn ya.

Well, to all the guys who read part of a post and get pissed off, because it disagrees with their views....

I am assuming anyone on here who reads this board does know how to shoot, and regardless of the caliber of choice.

I however see too many guys buying magnums who can't shoot them or anything littler. I have seen them not really knowing where their bullets are going.

To let you guys in on a little secret, my hunting partner carries a 300 Weatherby. Although I still think is too big for skinny little deer, this person knows how to shoot it and although owns 15 plus hunting rifles, uses the Weatherby for everything. Those people are not the ones I have a problem with. Because no matter how big the caliber or small the caliber, it is STILL BULLET PLACEMENT.

Way too many magnum shooters, can't do bullet placement with the gun they shoot. YOU GUYS IN HERE CAN, I TAKE AS A GIVEN. How many times do I have to say that?

It is not the round at all. I own one and use it.
I know what fun is, as I can see Ruff Hewn having fun shooting ground hogs with it. However Ruff, a 22 Long Rifle has a range of 2 miles plus.... I have seen bullets wizzing over my head and other peoples heads. The person who was pulling the trigger I totally beleive was safe.

Case in point of what I see as the average mag shooter ( not the knowing once again). A guy I see time to time at the range was at the range today. I know he hates the recoil on his 300 but he has been convinced, by others, not me that he should practice more. Well someone told him he should download ammo. Since he does not handload, he just assumed that buying lighter 30 caliber ammo would be just the same. So he was out with some fresh Walmart bought 30/30 ammo, and was wondering why he had trouble chambering the round.
This is a nice guy, not what I could consider stupid. He just does not have a lot of experience. Like many, he goes to Walmart or Bimart and buys a box or two of ammo a year and that is it. His point of reference is limited.
He told me he wishes he could shoot his 300 half as good as his old '06.
Just a few people convinced him he should trade in the '06 and get a 300. The guy at the store selling it convinced him of all the worderful hunting things that would happen once he stepped up to a 300.

And Ruff, keep the Diesel. You wouldn't look good in an S 10 anyway! Even if you could get a new one.

Read the entire post people. If you have a question I would be more than happy to answer it.
People get mad at me calling someone a name, well if you read the order of the threads, I was called something derogatory first. All I am guilty of is firing back!

Keep your 300s, as I will keep mine, and keep using it. Why should you care what someone in Oregon thinks, as he really does not care what some guy elsewhere thinks about his opinions.
I am just reflecting what I see after 30 plus years of hunting. If you don't like it, don't read it. Pretty simple.

its now a dead issue, as I am not here to change anyones mind, and no one is really going to change mine, especially calling me an ass or a clown, or whatever slander d'jour strikes their fancy. Having lived in the northeast USA, where everyone loves to be derogatory about everyone else in the world, I learned to let it go in one ear and out the other a long time ago.