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What is the real world difference in the two. A "friend" and I got into a discussion and I stated that the 358 Winchester can do any thing a 35 Whelen can do. I stated that my BLR can handle most any situation inside of 200yds with the correct bullets and the conversation heated up after that. Since I did not want to sit there and argue over the difference I bowed out of the conversation. Is the extra FPS that the Whelen can provide that much of an edge. I feel that in the real world it just does not matter.
 
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I would say there is about a 200 fps real world difference between the two . With my 24 inch Whelen , I can get enough speed to get me a 300 yard PBR on elk size game (with 250 gr slugs) , which is comforting at times .

If hunting close cover , there would certainly be no flies on the .358 ......
 
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i think it depends on the gun too. if clip/box fed then the bullets can be a large factor. if tube fed you are limited to a FP.
i think up to 200 there isn't much practical difference in the two. 225 and up at longer ranges you will see a difference.
apples and oranges. if you can hit what you aim at to 300 yards with any gun you are all set. 2500 fps or 2700 fps.
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federal loads the 35 whelen 2600 fps.. 225gr

i get 2525 in my 20" barrel 358.....

it's 100 factory, and 200-250 handloader, as the whelen is loaded soft

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The .358 is to the .35 Whelen as the .308 is to the .30-06. Inside that 200 yards I feel as comfortable with my .358 BLR as I wood with the Whelen. If the range was going to be longer, I'd take my .340 Weatherby.
 
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I think it's best to work your way back from the bullets. If you want to drive a 225 gr bullet 2500 fps, the 358 win is an outstanding platform. If you want to drive a 250 gr bullet 2500 fps, the 35 whelen is an excellent platform.

Comes down to species and applications. I would much rather use a 35 whelen for moose, as I want the heavier bullet. For deer and black bears, the 225 gr bullet and hence 358 win makes more sense.

I think the 308 win is much closer to a 30-06 then the 358 win is to the 35 whelen.

The 358 win is an outstanding round, but it is not in the same class as the 35 whelen. I know several people who rate the 35 whelens performance on game as on par with the 375 H&H, but I've never heard the 358 win get the same accolades.

Really depends on what and where you hunt.
 
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WN, inside of 200 yards your .358 will do anything you want it to. The Whelen starts to shine beyond that. Federal has a 225 gr. loading with a TBBC that I use in a Remington 7600 that is probably as good a factory load in any calibre that I've seen. To me the 225 gr. bullet is the correct weight for the Whelen for power and versatility. That's my two bits.
 
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Take a .358 win case, set it next to a 35 Whelen case. See the difference? Now tell me which one you thing will have the highest velocity!
 
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Jeffeosso- Do you mind posting your load for the .358 Win with 225gr at 2525. I just built a 20 barreled bolt in .358win. I've tried three different powders and the best I've done is 2435, and that was a couple grains over max, although no sign of pressure. I realize your load is for your rifle and may not be appropriate for others, but every bit of knowledge can be useful. BTW the 225 I am using is the Sierra. I am trying to hit 2500fps. Thanks, Al
 
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i think it depends on the gun too. if clip/box fed then the bullets can be a large factor. if tube fed you are limited to a FP.
I never heard of either the .358 or .35 Whelen in a tube-magazine rifle. [Confused] My 20" BLR in .358 would fire 250 grain spitzers at 2450 FPS, and do 1 MOA with the same load. I would hope a good .35 Whelen with a 24" barrel would beat that by 200 FPS or so, or it would not be worth dragging up a mountain instead of the BLR!! [Razz]

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