This last year saw me get into 3 new hunting rifles, or close to it.

I rebarreled a 270.

I had enough round through a Winchester Model 70 Super Grade 300 W8n Mag to seriously alter accuracy. I traded it for a new Super Grade, same cal. Only difference, a 26" tube, versus a 24".

A few days ago I traded a beloved 7mm 08 Model 70 Comact Classic on a new M 70 300 WSM.

I was anxious to try the 300 WSM. Two day ago I did. The first round I loaded jambed. It refused to load. The edge of the chamber caught the brass so hard, that when I put on a little pressure, it scraped brass off. The case would fall into the chamber when I dropped it in holding the rifle muzzle down. The exrtactor is so tight, it won't pick up the shell. It's not going hunting, but back to the factory.

I have not fired the 300 Win Mag, so I got it out this morning and with more than a little apprehension, put a round in the magazine and tied to load it. SAME PROBLEM. Jambs when I try to push the load into the chamber. It's going back to the factory.

I don't know what's going on at Winchester, but they are about to get an ear full. I put just a tad under a grand into the Super Grade and $659.00 into the 300 WSM. The least I expect is to be able to load the things.

The 270 functions fine. I'm going to start working up a load for it tomorrow.

The whole thing ticks me off.

That's really disgusting!! And a Super Grade!! Back to the real pre-64's!!

It's the WSM round, I've heard the same story over, and over it won't feed.

seen 4 270 wsm and fired all 4 at a range to see what gun grouped the best and all 4 fired and fed fine browning and winchester the same company still that much of a difference between the 2

Very dissapointing Rodger, I know how you feel when you buy defective products.

I am still deciding between a M70 .375 H&H stainless classic and a CZ 550 .375 H&H, I really want a stainless (both stocks need replacing IMHO) but these reports about M 70's just keep cropping up making the cz 550 look better all the time. Just did not want the extra action weight for a medium bore round.

I don't think the feeding problem is caused by the 300 WSM. The one I had fed great. It's probably a quality control issue.

Posts like these are what drove me to the cz550! I pick it up on Wednesday. Hope it proves dependable. I'm embarrassed to go with the cz because I'm a staunch "Buy American" type.

citori3

What caliber is your CZ.

Something I have noticed on these forums is that if go you back sometime the CZs seemed to be all 375 H&H and 416 Rigby and there is good reason to get CZ in those calibers as opposed to Rem 700 or M70. In other words, quality control aside.

But I have noticed for sometime, that the CZs seemed to be appearing in calibers like 270, 30/06 etc.

Mike

My cz is in .375 H&H. Hasn't arrived yet though. I feel like I'm in the maternity waiting room pacing!

To your point, I would think the set trigger would be more of an asset in the lighter calibers.

Someone over at HA had the same problem with a Winchester. Had a burr in the chamber.
I think it may have been Gatehouse. He's over here too.

Mine feeds fine, but everything is rough...

The bolt face appears not square, and causes over pressure signs on the case.

The part of the chamber where the shoulder rests must have some projections on it, because it makes cicular scratches on the case shoulder.

There are a couple of tooling burrs on the reciever.

It feeds okay in a mechanical sense...it puts the cartridge intot he chamber. But it doesn't feed smoothly. There is definite "scratching" going on at the bottom of the chamber, and as I said on the shoulder.

The gun is suprisigly accurate. I didn't adjust the trigger yet, and shooting groups was a real chore...the trigger is so heavy I was sure I had the safety on at times...I got enough good groups to confirm the rifle is accurate. 1.5" at 200 yards, and it would have been better if not for me having to YANK the damn trigger.

Is there any truth to the fact that Winchesters are being made in Japan? If so, how long has this been going on?

[ 10-01-2002, 08:48: Message edited by: CharlieinKansas ]

Charlie, Browning's are made in Japan, not Win's... they're made in CT and NC.

[ 10-01-2002, 18:14: Message edited by: Brad ]

Good morning all-especially to you Brad my fellow Montana and good friend.

I'll have to check when I get to work tomorrow but believe it or no Brad I think I saw on one of Win shotguns the other day that it was made it Japan. I think.

Have a good day all

"GET TO THE HILL"

Dog

ps Brad I called in a beautiful red/cinnamon blackie for a friend of mine the other day. It is a gorgeous bruin. Also I got my stock for my G33/40 back from Brown all looks good so far.

I saw a post where someone was talking about Winchester's new factory and ISO rating, B.S.!
A lot of my family and friends come to my place to sight their guns, since I have several nice shooting areas.
Over the last few years I have seen over 50 new Winchesters, and none IMHO, where of acceptable quality. All were very rough and showed signs of misalignment of moving parts.
Of course, they're not alone Remingtons and Rugers have gone south too.

Hi
I noticed a feeding problem with my new Safari Express .458 Win when I got to the range the first time.
I traced the problem to a very sharp edge where the feeding ramp ends in the locking lug recess.
It turned out to be my uncriped cases that sometimes got cought on the edge.
Afer propery crimping the next batch of ammo, the problem was gone.

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Softlead
So you're taking the blame for their poor manufacturing?
I don't like what I've been seeing. Bad Remington's Bad Winchesters. How do we turn this around? If you buy foriegn, they'll just figure they have to reduce their price to compete, and quality will suffer. If you buy the junk their putting out, they'll figure it's ok, and make more!

Hi
John Y Cannuck, I certanly dont take the blame for their poor manufacturing!
I am well awere, as used to european arms, that the quality of the nort american hunting rifles has a lot of improvement potensial.

Problem is, if I want an affordable DGR rifle, the Win offering is quite attractive.
If i choose the Win, I have to live with the flaws an try to overcome them the best I can.

Trust me I would NEVER by a north american gun in a caliber were Sako makes an alternative. The Sako i priced under a comparable Win in Sweden.

If the quality of the Rugers, Remingtons, Winchesters is improved, I have no problem bying theese guns in "normal" calibers.
I am not anti american, (sensetive subject theese days) but the one that delivers get my money.

Ps
The win Safari Express of mine is realy a nice gun, being what it is. I am wery pleased with it.
Ds

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