Does any one have any loads using the newer powders and any older powders.

I just use the loads for IMR powder right out of the manuals.

Is your Argie a 1909 or a 1891? Makes a big difference in the loading data you can safely use.

Have a decent shooting sporterized 7.65x53 1891 Argentine. Barrel has been shortened a couple of inches. I generally just use H4895 powder in my reloads with Sierra 180 grain .311 spitzer bullets which has on the Sierra box, 303 caliber bullet.

Try around 38.4 gr of H4895 with 180gr bullet. Last time I shot this load, had a 3/4" 4 shot 100 yd group.

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Originally posted by D Humbarger:
Is your Argie a 1909 or a 1891? Makes a big difference in the loading data you can safely use.

Here is an intriguing quote from Ackley's Vol. II, pages 41-42 A few Causes of Blowups:

"This was a hot wildcat cartridge on a Belgian Mauser action. Incidentally, it is a real testimonial for the strength of this old model action that while the very badly overloaded cartridge blew out the whole head of the case, resulting in fused brass all through the action, making the parts appear to be brass plated, the shooter suffered some only some minor powder burns, and the action was put back into usable condition, and as far as known, is still performing perfectly. The stock of course had to be replaced since it was completely shattered. The cartridge which caused all the damage had about an 8 grain over maximum powder charge."

Those 91's are not a weak action as many think they are because they don't resemble the other outside claw extractor of other Mauser action. The 7.65 was never a wimpy load.

The only "knock" I have ever seen on the Argentine 1891 Mauser was the single locking lug on the bolt.

As I stated in another thread, for many years my father shot the same load in his sporterized 1891 that Ken Waters recommended for the '09 Peruvian he used as the test rifle in his book Pet Loads. The load was 45 grains of IMR 4895 behind a Sierra 150-grain bullet, lit by a CCI-200. I never saw the first sign of a pressure problem; brass lasted forever an extraction was effortless.

For years Dad kept a target that was one ragged hole out of the old military rifle, two-stage trigger and all.

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Originally posted by Doubless:
The only "knock" I have ever seen on the Argentine 1891 Mauser was the single locking lug on the bolt.

As I stated in another thread, for many years my father shot the same load in his sporterized 1891 that Ken Waters recommended for the '09 Peruvian he used as the test rifle in his book Pet Loads. The load was 45 grains of IMR 4895 behind a Sierra 150-grain bullet, lit by a CCI-200. I never saw the first sign of a pressure problem; brass lasted forever an extraction was effortless.

For years Dad kept a target that was one ragged hole out of the old military rifle, two-stage trigger and all.

I believe you better look at the 91 Mauser action again, it has two locking lugs. Are you thinking of the Krag??

I got a 09.

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The only "knock" I have ever seen on the Argentine 1891 Mauser was the single locking lug on the bolt.

Another stupid statement. I stand corrected...

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Originally posted by kennedy:
I got a 09.

Yes, you have a 98 Mauser one. Great rifle that Argentine 98

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Originally posted by Doubless:

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The only "knock" I have ever seen on the Argentine 1891 Mauser was the single locking lug on the bolt.

Another stupid statement. I stand corrected...

NP, we all have a brain fart once in awhile and I know I sure have my share of them.

My first deer rifle was a 1891. All I shot was Norma ammo. No the 7.65 is not whimpy, I just feel a bit more comfortable with that third lug of the 98. It great that you have a 1909.

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Originally posted by D Humbarger:
My first deer rifle was a 1891. All I shot was Norma ammo. No the 7.65 is not whimpy, I just feel a bit more comfortable with that third lug of the 98. It great that you have a 1909.

Many modern rifles only have a two lug bolt with no third safety lug, yes I know they are made of modern steels. Mauser designed the 1891 sufficiently enough to hand the 7.65 round it shoots. Look at the Krags, I personally don't know of anyone that had blown one of those up. Yes I know just about every firearms has been blown up sometime by someone. I just wouldn't worry about the 1891 as long as you are feeding it proper ammo.

I believe you better look at the 91 Mauser action again, it has two locking lugs. Are you thinking of the Krag??

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Actually, if you look closely, the left lug is split to the bolt body(as are all Military Mausers), thus rendering it into two separate parts. That would make three locking lugs. If you sporter it and alter the bolt, you can always notch the receiver rail and create a safety lug. I too believe the 1891 action is stronger and safer than the 1893-96 actions. There is more steel in the right side of the receiver ring since it does not have an external extractor to clear. The action also flexes less since it is a single stack(thicker side rails) and the action screws are closer together than other Mauser models.

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Originally posted by Bobster:
I believe you better look at the 91 Mauser action again, it has two locking lugs. Are you thinking of the Krag??

Actually, if you look closely, the left lug is split to the bolt body(as are all Military Mausers), thus rendering it into two separate parts. That would make three locking lugs. If you sporter it and alter the bolt, you can always notch the receiver rail and create a safety lug. I too believe the 1891 action is stronger and safer than the 1893-96 actions. There is more steel in the right side of the receiver ring since it does not have an external extractor to clear. The action also flexes less since it is a single stack(thicker side rails) and the action screws are closer together than other Mauser models.[/QUOTE]

I'll take that as a joke and a lame one.

This thread is asking about new loads and some good older loads for the 7.65x53 Argentine, NOT about the strength of the 91 action. I would be interested to see some new loads too. Anyone have any?
joe

I have an 1891 that is in its original state and, though I haven't reloaded for it yet because I don't shoot it that often, I did buy a few boxes of Hornady's ammo. This 150gr SP ammo shot very well out of my Argentine.

After I use up the factory ammo, I certainly will start reloading for this rifle. I was given this rifle and bayonet for free and I was pleasantly surprised how well it shot after I cleaned it up.

Looking at Hornady's data, they have data for 150gr and 174gr bullets, but they didn't recommend any powders in the cartridge summary. After looking at their data though, I think I would start out trying H4895.

Loads here are for a 98 Mauser, not a 91.
I'd drop them 20% to start as 56K is too high for a 91, but it is a start.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunf...owthread.php?t=95296

More info here, I would not use 303 UK data in a 91. Think of a 7x57 in a 95 Mauser vs an a 98.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.65%C3%9753mm_Argentine

Cool classic, hope crest is intact.