Here's the picture to go with it. Politically correct had a different meaning in those days.

Woods, thanks for that, that is awesome!

I am going to print that out somehow and post in my shop and at my office!

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Originally posted by Fish30114:
Woods, thanks for that, that is awesome!

I am going to print that out somehow and post in my shop and at my office!

PM me your e-mail and I will forward it to you. Will be easier to download that way.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MThuntr:
Are Barnes TSX worth the extra 10 dollars per box?

Absolutely YES. They are a killing machine.

used the new federal factory load in 180 gr tsx 300wm from the r1 just to try them before I decide to load any and they work great shoot great as is no need to fix what aint broke ordered a case. they are absolutely worth the mony in accuracy and killing power

I am using the 180 TSX's in my new Kimber Montana 300 WSM from here on out. This is how they shot out of a Federal factory box in my 300WSM at 100 yards.



And at 225 yards my MPBZ




Dont believe I could reload for better accuracy, those are 1" squares. Needless to say I bought 4 boxes so I wouldn't have any problems finding them later on which is a common problem up here in AK.

I just used the 168gr TSX in my 300 WSM to knock over a bull moose at 208 yds. He was quartering towards me and the penetration was over 30" with bone contact in and out. I love those bullets.

Here is my 3 shot group at 200meters with 180g TSX in my 300wby Accumark

And 6 shots at 600meters


Cheers

Oh Yeah
They are worth their $ we pay $70.00AU for 50 here
I try to keep load development to the min

Cheers

Yeah and the new Barnes MRX are $50.00AU for 20 here so you no where they can stick them


Steve

steve
your getting ripped off!!
daniel

The only game animal I have shot with a TSX, was a smal mule deer waith a 100 grain .257 ,From a Roberts. I get about 3100 at the muzzle and I shot the buck at 102 yards from a lazer.
The Preformance of the bullet was good enough that I would now be extreemly confident with my .270 loaded with a 140 grain t-shocks for Elk.
Its worth noting that my hunting pardner shot a spike Rosevelt elk last weekend shooting a 7 mag and a 160 grain accubond. 3 rounds through the Lungs and the Elk went about 50 yards, all bullets went clear through and left big holes on the way out. they worked well too,
My frend has killed lots of elk and he says keep shooting till there down. No matter what your shooting...tj3006

I don't trust that the solid copper nose is always going to open up at all if its been dinged a little before it hits the animal. It could happen in my pocket or in the magazine etc. If the nose on a X bullet is closed in some there is nothing to grab onto the animal and expand it. Or it may grab on one side and then turn backwards or something else.

A buddy just shot a whitetail buck yesterday with a 130 gr X .277 bullet at 160 yds from his WSM and there was minimal damage in the animal and absolutly no trail of blood and no hair on the ground. This is not what he is used to from the 180 Speer out of a 358 or the 150 Partition from the 30-06. He is burned on the X's. We see no reason for them at all.

I was going to try the new MRX as it has a plastic meplat that might make them always open as they would not get damaged but at this point I have lost all interest in Barnes products. As to the BC's or loading data of any kind from Barnes they have embaressed themselves beyond any hope.

The all copper bullet may still be a good idea. Lots of things are good ideas. It was one of the designers of the Ferrari V-12 engine that said "Anyone can dream of mining metals on the moon. It's those who actually do the work that are the real achievers."

I fired this 3 shot group at 100 yds with the 168gr TSX out of my .300 H&H

You make my point adrook. How are you going to kill anything with such a small hole?

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Originally posted by Savage99:
You make my point adrook. How are you going to kill anything with such a small hole?

MTHuntr,

If TSXs group well from your rifle, I'd say take a chance on them, I have no personal experience with them. Are they worth the extra money? If they are accurate and make short work of putting a game animal down, then yes.

However,

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Originally posted by FMC:
If you're a cheap bastard, then get interlocks. They're accurate and cheap. Hell just buy factory ammo if you're pinchin pennies......
Partitions are overrated, I don't like em, never been able to get them, swifts or speers to shoot worth a shit....

I must be a cheap bastard that uses overrated bullets per FMC's elitist comment. Hornady Interlocks have always, always, put meat on the my table without exception if I do my part. The same with Partitions.

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Originally posted by Savage99:
You make my point adrook. How are you going to kill anything with such a small hole?

I had six perfect kills on deer last year with the 140TSX. Anybody can find a bad one of anything made and if you run on account of that you will run away all your life.

I mentioned earlier in this thread the Mule deer buck i killed with a 100 grain tsx from my Roberts.
Just thought I would add that the entrance wound, was about 2 inches across and the exit was at leas 3 inches.
I Think I exploaded a rib on the way in and mabye another on the way out.
The buck stood still for about a second after the shot , then jumped about 5 feet off the ground turned around in a circle and fell dead on the spot, total time from bang to dead was mabye 4 seconds.
I think at 100 yards most any good bullet would have done well enough but this was spectacular, I was impressed to say the least ! ...tj3006

My vote is YES. The difference in price among premium bullets is not that great - expect to pay +/- 50 cents for a decent bullet. Save the cheap ones for practice. Under ideal conditions (broadside shot) practically any bullet will do the job. There are times when things aren't perfect (pretty much any non-broadside). This is where the TSX really pays off. Three days ago I had a running away shot at a whitetail. I hit it in the rear and it dropped about 40 yards away. (I do not recommend this shot, I would have normally passed - there were unusual circumstances). The bullet made a two inch diameter entrance wound, broke the hip, and continued up through into the vitals where I found it. The 6.5mm bullet still weighed 130g and looked just like the one shown in their ads, except the petals were evenly pitched in the direction of rotation, probably due to the high twist rate. Would NEVER use any other bullet for hunting big game. I have also had lots of success with the 12GA expander slug - now they leave a blood trail!

I shot a mulie last week with the TSX 180gr from my 300Win. I always do a post mortum and the liver had a series of slices in it like I had never seen, The deer was shot from behind the last rib and quartering froward, the slices reminded me of an accident victem I had seen that had been hit by an outboard motor, I assume they were from the bullet passing by, anyway the deer dropped, got up I shot it again and that was it. Both bullets exited, my only other kill with a TSX was a goat and that one penciled right through and I failed to recover the animal till the next day. I think the TSX may be just a little too tough for that light an animal. I will use them elk hunting next week, and I expect them to be perfect!

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I think the TSX may be just a little too tough for that light an animal.

I disagree. My experience is with the X flatbase bullet, not the TSX. The TSX with its multiple rings cut into the shank may reduce pressures, minimize fouling and improve accuracy but the solid copper hollow point still acts the same way. I had a steenbuck as a target of opportunity while carrying my 338-06AI with 225 X flatbase bullets going 2600fps. A texas heart shot from 60 yards ripped him open like a ripe watermelon from stern to stem. Average weight for an adult is about 25 pounds. I also shot a hyrax, which is similar to a groundhog but has no tail, with an 85 X bullet out of my 25-06 going 3300fps. Same results as the steenbuck; he was gutted on the spot in a spray of red mist. Exemplary performance to say the least.

Barnes bullets ARE expensive. But not when you compare to the overall cost of all the other components of a big game hunt. Now that the X bullets are pretty much discontinued, I would not invest in TSX's for punching holes in paper targets. I've got to draw the line somewhere.

I don't use the TSX on goats any more on a clean broadside Personally I don't trust them. I do use them on every thing else and love them. They are Very accurate in my rifles and tend to minimize the meat damage I think. If I hit a large muscle mass I know they will open for sure.

I think the TSX is best suited to shooting game over 350 lbs with a "smaller" caliber ie 280, 270 270 WSM 7-08, 6.5 mm class of game. I see no real point in using them over Btips/Game kings or interlocks/SSTs for any of the deer hunting situations I encounter. I prefer the rapid expansion these bullets have, and the ability to do a pile of shooting at minimal cost.

bR

Are they worth it? Yes, unless, like the other gentleman said, you go hungry buying them.

They are accurate, they have excellent weight retention, ballistics co-efficient and they don't make a mess of the meat so, IMO, the only objection to this projectile is the subject of sufficient expansion. Do they open up or not?

All I can say is this bullet has saved me lots of money. They saved me the cost of buying a larger rifle to hunt elk with. I have absolutely no problem loading up my .270 Win with a 150 gr TSX and hunting elk with it next year after shooting all summer with the 130's and experimenting with accuracy and penetration/expansion. I have complete confidence in a .277 140-150 grain bullet moving 2850-3000 fps and retaining 95% for Elk.
This is certainly better performance than a .30 caliber 180 grain bullet that retains 60% of its weight. I guess I am just not a big fan of lead shot meat. The organ meats are the best parts of the animal. The Heart is loaded with Co Q10 and the liver is loaded with B vitamins and Vitamin A/D.

If you are confident that you are going to get adequate expansion than the TSX are about the best there is. Personally, I love the 130's for deer. OTOH I still have my eye on the MR-X for next years Elk season. I hope they have the .277 150 grain boattails available. The cost is minimal when I consider how I saved the price of a new rifle to be able to use my .270 do to the exceptional weight retention and accuracy! Amen!

I have only 1 rule with my .270 which I use to hunt everything and it is a very simple rule. I limit myself out to 355 yards on all game. Yup, if I can't get to within 355 yards of any animal I don't shoot at it. If my range finder says 360 yards, guess what? No shot. Period! Amen!

I trust in the Lord to provide for me but I just don't have enough gun nor skill to morally shoot at those beautiful animals at 400-500 yards like I hear about. All I know is the amount I have shot my .270 within my chosen range, how well I know the gun, how well and relaxed I can shoot that gun, the TSX has allowed me to really feel confident in my harvesting capability. Thats because with the TSX, I can shoot a caliber that I can shoot very, very well. Fully relaxed! Amen!

Not a big deal punching paper at 100 yards but cranking up to 9X and dropping a moose at 350 yards is not easy if you aren't 100% confident with the shot. Shooting big bruiser guns at the range for 20 rounds then having to quit does not build up the confidence I am talking about. I am talking about the confidence of a sniper. I view myself as a lethal sniper out to 355 yards! Amen!

God Bless,

Corey

In my opinion they are GREAT bullets. I generally shoot the 168 gr in my 300 win at everything. I have had one shot kills that were very dramatic on 6-7 deer and a really large moose this fall. My son shoots them in his 3006 and same thing. I agree with most here that premium bullet are largley a waste on deer size game, I just don't like to switch around. Beware of the man with one gun and one load.

BTW to the guys swearing .050 off the lands with the TSX, my 300 likes them only .015 off.