Who has a model 70 in 300wsm. I was looking at the winchester web site and they advertise their classic sporter LT model at I think 7.4 lbs and the feather wieght at 7.8 lbs .

I guess winchester droped the laminated stock model that they show in the 2001 cataloge.

The feather wieght is heaveyer than the LT?

Anyone with a new winchester in 300wsm how do you like it and how does it shoot?

Is the mag box real short where you have to seat heavy bullets (180 200) down into the case to fit the mag? Can you seat the bullets out to get close to the lands and still fit the mag box?

Rick

My fishing scale says my M70 Classic Stainless 300WSM with Nikon Buckmasters 4.5-14x40AO is right at 9 lbs unloaded.

I can load bullets to OAL of about 3.05" and fill the magazine. FWIW most 180 grainers I have used (Nosler BT, Partition, Hornady SST, Sierra GK) have the base even with the bottom of the neck at around 3" OAL. Depending on the bullet (BT and SST longest) I hit the lands at around 2.95" in my rifle.

Hopes this helps.
My old fishing scales reads-
Win.70 FWT 300WSM 24" Bar. weighs 8LB 7oz
Win.70 LT 300RUM 26" weighs 8lb 15oz
Both have the same Rings and Scopes.

For what it is worth, while I do enjoy and like the M70's the weight issue is what gets me. I'll take a standard (old) mag over this short fatty any day if they are gonna weigh the same.



Now, if you get yourself into a lighter rifle then I can see a reason, if it is not made in the old mag cals also.



But for me I'm not wanting any more 9 pound elk rifles.



Just my thoughts, and on one last note I was very amazed to weigh there "Fwt" and see how heavy it is. But then again after Win doing away with the 223 and going to these super shorts and not doing a 25 WSM instad of the super short 25 nothing amazes me about them any more!



Honeslty guys, I am not slamming the 70's here just stating what I believe.



Have a great weekend!



Dogz



"GET TO THE HILL"

Mark,

I am in agreement with you. These WSM's do have some very nice capabilities, but I do wish that winchester continued to chamber the old magnum calibers. I am having trouble finding a suitable rifle (with CRF) that fits me and doesn't weigh the same as an elk rifle.

Sevens

When I was in the market for a new bolt action rifle in the "deer rifle" category, I looked at the advantages and disadvantages of the various makes, models, and designs. One issue, though not the most important to me, is the rifle's weight. I've noticed that the various makers tend to be somewhat inexact in their references to rifle weight, and in the past, I put this down to unavoidable differences in wood densities and thought no more about it. Recently, though, I hefted a few and there didn't seem to be a real correlation between feel and published weights, so I decided to weigh a few new rifles at my local gun store. (Sorry about the spacing.)
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Make/Model		Caliber		Bbl	Published Wgt	Actual Wgt
Sako 75			     7mm STW	24 	     8.75		8#9oz
CZ 550 Amer Prestige	270 Win	     25.6 	    7.48 pounds	8#3oz
CZ 550 Amer Prestige	30-06		25.6 	7.48 pounds	7#14oz
Win M70 Classic		  7mm STW       26	8		8#1oz
Win M70 Classic		  300 Win Mag	26	8		8#0oz
Win M70 Super Grade	7mm Mag		26	8		8#0oz
Win M70 Clsc Laminated	7mm Mag		26	8		7#11oz
Win M70 Fwt		     270 WSM		24	7		7#4oz
Win M70 Fwt		     300 Win Mag	24	7		7#5oz
Win M70 Stainless/Syn	7mm WSM		24	7#4oz		7#5oz
Savage 114          300 Win Mag		22-24	7 to 7.5	7#1oz
Remington 700 BDL	270 Win		22	7.25		7#0oz
Remington 700 BDL	243 Win		22	7.25		7#1oz
Remington 700 BDL	22-250		22	7.25		7#9oz
Remington 700 BDL	22-250		22	7.25		7#9oz
Blaser R93                   30-06          22       7        7#8oz

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Comments:
1. I wasn't particularly interested in synthetic stocks, so I only weighed one of them.
2. The winner in the "Most Optimistic Manufacturer Weight Estimate" is clearly CZ.
3. The winner in the "Best Stock in a Non-Custom Rifle" is Winchester, for their Classic models. These stocks were gorgeous.
4. The winner in the "Biggest Surprise," was tie, with both awards going to Remington. First, the "deer rifle" calibers came in under the published weights. Second, the short action 22-250s were significantly heavier than other short action BDLs. This could partly be a result of a smaller bullet hole and thus more metal remaining, or it could be something entirely else - I don't know. I weighed two separate rifles to ensure it wasn't my error somehow.
5. I weighed these rifles on my old beer-making scale, which allowed minor recalibration when the "no rifle" weight approached one ounce.
6. I also weighed Browning A-Bolt Hunters, but due to a recording error, I don't trust the values I came home with.
7. All are sporting weight barrels.
8. Thanks to Loudon Guns in Leesburg, Virginia for their patience and their shop's layout. It's the only one in the area that lets a customer wander among open stacks and handle the merchandise without help, if we don't want any. They had probably a hundred rifles to choose among.

I bought the M70 Classic 300 Mag, and it was a shooter, before I sold it to buy a Ruger M77 6.5X55 (7 pounds 4 ounces).

Jaywalker

Jaywalker,

Great post. Good info. I agree with you about Loudoun Guns. It's just a shame I can't get down there more often.

Steve