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Have been looking at a 35 whelen in a semi-auto. Looking for advice on how much recoil to expect.I have shot a 270 in the past and just looking for something a little different to mess around with. The guy says the 35 whelen in the gas action recoils like a 243win. Just brain picking. | ||
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The .35 Whelen is a substantial push over the .270, but with a good recoil pad you should be OK. The only rifle I am aware of in semi-auto would be the Remington 7400 and that was only a limited run so the best thing would be to watch for private sales. Another alternative would be Remington's 7600, a pump action. Remington made more of those and might be easier to find. I have three 7600's one in a .35 Whelen and to be honest I wouldn't want the semi-auto. The 7600 is accurate, rugged and 100% reliable even in the far north. Before I forget, to say a .35 Whelen recoils like a .243 in a semi-auto is total BS.  | |||
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Never felt a high brass 12 guage in a semi that felt like a 243 either. As you get to the Whelen and bigger the recoil get to be slower but more of a hard shove vs a HIT like a 300mag. My wilfe is 5'4" about 120# her rifle is a light 7x57. She shoots our 35 Whelen full tilt from the bench with a small PAST. She will say enough after around 20 rds. Calculated recoil is 50% more with the Whelen vs a 130gr 270 in the same rifle. As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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with the risk of over simplification.... i just use a simple rule when considering recoil. all typical hunting hunting loads reach comparatively similar velocies so i simply look at the weight of the bullet it pushes.....heavy bullet at 2600 fps, big recoil, light bullet at 2600 fps. small recoil, using the typicly loaded 30-06 with 165 gr. bullet as my well known referance. as i said, possibly too simple, but it works. you can calculate all you want and no offense to those who have know specific numbers, but who here can imagine or demonstrate a 45 ftlb. recoil compared to a 38 ftlb. recoil? | |||
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I shoot a 270 as well and was thinking about this round. Chuck Hawks recoil table indicates the 35 has a bit more recoil than a 30-06. Can't be all that bad. | |||
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How does the Whelen or maybe a 338 compare to shooting 3" duck loads out of a 12 gauge O/U? Can't be that much different...especially when you might shoot a box in a duck blind. Just wondering... | |||
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Jon, good point. I once broke my nose with 3" mags in a pump gun when I followed a bird straight up over my head. Pulled the trigger and basically bunched myself in the face. | |||
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35 Whelen was an option when Remington re-issued the 742 a year or two ago, in rifle and carbine. I'm not a huge fan of the 742 Jam-Master...my dad's 30-06 Woodmaster has been hunting since it was made in the 60's and is still working well enough for him. My uncles identical rifle religiously jammed every 3rd shot. Still, the new semi auto in a carbine 35 Whelen would be pretty near If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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K just checked the web page. Remmy does in fact offer the 22" and 18.5" 750 Woodsmaster in 35 Whelen. If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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I would be reall hesitant to by the remington semi auto...they have a horrible rputation for accuracy. If you are going to happy with a 2.5 inch group in a good one then ok...but for many people they are happier the day they sell it than the day they bought it. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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The several 742's and the one 7400 I have now, once tuned a bit all shot very well. The 7400 I have right now is a MOA shooter with the right reloads. The triggers are easy to lighten and floating the forend is a must. Use a pull thru cleaning set up and your rifle will shoot well as long as you own it. However the 35 Whelen with 200 grain bullets kicks just a bit more than the 30-06, with full power reloads using 250 grain bullets it's like a 12 gauge using 1 1/4 ounce 23/4 inch loads. Leftists are intellectually vacant, but there is no greater pleasure than tormenting the irrational. | |||
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You get a lot of power per recoil in the 35. I dont really feel any big difference between the 270, 308 win 30-06 and the Whelen. More down to the gun. | |||
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I don't have a Whelen . . . but I do have a CZ 550 in 9.3x62. With the 1" thick decelerator, the 9.3's recoil is about like my Dad's 30-06 M77MkII Ruger, but the Ruger of course has that silly hard rubber "recoil pad". I shoot mostly 250 grain TSX's in the 9.3, which is going to be similar to what you're likely to shoot in the Whelen, too. So I'd expect your Whelen's recoil to be a bit more than a 30-06 if everything else is equal (gun weight, recoil pad), but that putting a good recoil pad on can help smooth things out a bit. Troy | |||
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If you can shoot a 30-06 you can shoot a 35 whelen. Sitting at the bench, hunched over, and firing 20 plus rounds might not be the most pleasant thing, but when shooting at game, I'll bet you won't even notice recoil. I load the 225 grainers in my whelen. I'm 5'8" and 190 lbs. Don't notice recoil at all when killin' stuff. GWB | |||
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My 35 Whelen (ugly Betty) is a Ruger M77 with the paddle stock and "car tyre" recoil pad. The recoil fits in between a 338 Winmag and a 30-06. Edit: I only use 250grn Woodleighs in my rifle, a true winning team  Not to comfy from a prolonged bench session, but an angles kiss in the field   Arild Iversen. | |||
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I too have a Rem 742 in 30/06 and 35 Whelen,also a 35 Whelen in a Remington 700.Like others my 742's shoot great and only failed to eject 1 time in -27 degree weather and it was only 1 time.I'm fairly stout and don't notice the recoil difference between the 30/06 and 35 Whelen that much with 200 gr bullets.When I load the 225 and 250 grain bullets I do notice the recoil but its not bad. If your a light weight guy you may want to use a Past recoil shoulder pad as some else mentioned.Recoil for the 35 Whelen?Not as bad as you might think.Drop-Shot | |||
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I have a M700 Classic in 35 Whelen, recoil is slightly more than a 30-06 when shooting 200 gr bullets. A little more with 225 and 250 gr bullets but very manageable. In a gas operated rifle, it should be similar to your 270 Win. Great caliber, it hammers WT deer and Black Bear with authority! JD338 | |||
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Not quite like a 243 but more as JD338 describes above. My M750/35Whelen carbine semi does seem easy on the shoulder with its factory "Limbsaver" pad also. Most can handle the recoil I should think. I had a 7400 in 35whelen too for a while. It was slightly easier on the shoulder too than say my 700 classic bolt. But neither are very hard to handle really IMO. This my M750 35Whelen Carbine;  | |||
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My classic(less than 8 lbs loaded) does have more recoil than my Ruger 7 remmag. However its only annoying from the bench and never on game. I would be very sceptical that the recoil from a .35 whelen semiauto approaches that of my 25-06 never mind a .243. | |||
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I have identical remington model 700 rifles in 270, 3006 and 35 whelen. The 270 recoils the least, then the 3006, and the 35 whelen is definately a thumper. It is substantially more than the 3006 especially with 250s, as compared to 180s. | |||
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I have two 35 Whelen's, one is a Remington 7600 that originally came with the wood stock, it kicked like a mule, switched it over to the Butler Creek synthetic which weighed about half of what the wood did and reduces recoil quite a bit. That was before I found out that you can use an 870 20 gauge butt stock. My other one is a Ruger Hawkeye which came with the new style synthetic, from the bench it was rather stout. I have since replaced it with a Boyds JRS Classic and bedded the tang, recoil lug and first 3" of the barrel. I'd say it is on par with stout 200 gr 30-06 loads. That being said I was never able to find a load for any bullet under 225 gr. Tried the 250 Hornady RN and both guns now are honest moa shooters. I'd recommend the heavier bullets for a Whelen. | |||
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I have a Rem. 750 in .35 Whelen. Accuracy and function are good. I let my wife use it on her first hunt (whitetail) last year. She is not an experienced shooter at all but she quickly mastered the Whelen and experienced no problems with recoil. BTW - it puts whitetails on there butts - DRT. In my opinion, the recoil in this rifle is very mild. But all things are judged against what you are used to and I like shooting and hunting with big bores. NRA Endowment Member | |||
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Internet predictions of recoil and my shoulder never seem to agree. I don't think the .35 is that much worse than a .270, but then again, I have never shot them back to back. Hunting: Exercising dominion over creation at 2800 fps. | |||
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Feels like a 30-06 to me, maybe a little more with the 225gr load. It's my go to rifle for Elk. Meddle not with dragons, for you are good and crunchy with ketchup. | |||
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With my Ruger tang-safety, recoil is not bad. It almost seems that I get a long-push for recoil compared with a quick-sharp recoil as with an '06 with heavy bullets. Might be all in my head, but I perceive less recoil with the Whelen than with my Buddy's canoe-paddle 30-06. | |||
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Truer words have not been spoken. I can however tell you that my Hawkeye as previously described followed up by my 270 WSM, Again pretty much the same set up, Ruger, Boyds JRS and bedding loaded to 270 Win velocities are like night and day. I barely feel the 270WSM compared to the 35. Now loaded to max load with a 130 gr Ballistic Tip the recoil is somewhat noticeable but not much. To me the 35 is about what a stout 06 load would be. The gas system on the 750 does absorb a good bit of the recoil. | |||
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I have a 270 700 rem,a 30-06 in a mauser action,and a 35whelen in a mauser action. That said I think i would rether shoot my 35 than my 06 with 200-250gr bullets.They weight about the same,but the 35 feels more like a push than a kick.Just my exp. | |||
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I only have experience with a couple 35 Whelens. The first was a Remington classic that kicked like a mule, and was promptly sold, to say it was brutal is an understatement. I much prefer shooting my 9.3x64 Brenneke's and even a 375 H&H compared to that particular rifle. The second was a friends that I shot one day while out hunting> I had winter clothing on, was a heavier rifle, custom stock, thicker recoil pad, and I was mentally prepared. That being said it still felt pretty harsh to me, but was shootable, unlike the first. I have a stable of 270 Win's and there is no way that the two can be compared. I also have a couple of 338-06's and they are both alot of fun to shoot with 200-210gr bullets. With that being said, there is alot of individual perception to recoil even among people shooting the exact same load. I would stay away from an autoloading rifle and go the pump route. As far as the same as 243 recoil, I would have to experience that to believe it. Because the rifle would have to have some additional engineering features to reduce recoil to that level. | |||
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I have a custom Mauser, Ruger M77RS and a Remingfton Classic, all in .35 Whelen. I also have a Remington 700 Classic in 30-06 and recoil with the classic 06 and Whelen are not all that bad. The Whelen with a 200 gr. factory load does not seem to be a much harder kicker than the 06 with the same weight bullet. The Ruger has such a pretty piece of wood that I replaced the stock with Ramline that I had laying around and recoil with that one seems to be only slightly greater than with th Remingtons. The custom mauser however does not seem to kick any harder than the 30-06 but I'll assume that it's because the rifle fits me so well.The only problem I had with the Classic in .35 was the trigger was crappy as hell. Kind of like running a rasp against a rat tail file, and that is no exaggeration. I recently got it back from my gunsmiths but have not had a chance to go shooting. The Classics seem to fit me reasonably well, and as someone said, recoil is subjective. No way however would i call the recoil of the .35 Whelen harsh. Cerainly it's a noticably less than my .300 win. Mag. or .338 Win. mag. However, YMMV. Paul B. | |||
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I think its all in the stock fit. | |||
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Whelen recoil isn't harsh at all. Of course like others have said stock design and a good pad go a long way. Straight shootin to ya | |||
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Another reason the Whelen offers modest recoils is factory ammo. Remingtons 250 gr Corelokt chronos at around 2300 2300 fps, and is scary accurate out of my CDL and 750. The 750 being an easier gun in the recoil department, accuracy & reliability are both better than good. As energy increases at the square square square of the velocity, it is fair to characterize Whelen recoil as modest, not to different than a 270 running up around 3000fps with a lighter bullet.. | |||
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Have an 06 and a 35 Whelen. Both are 1917 actions 06 is wood, Whelen is polymer. Both have the new soft recoil pads...recoil for the 180gr in 06 is more than the 200 in the Whelen...I usually reload the 250gr in the Whelen and the recoil is more a push than the sharp recoil from a 7 mag or 300mag...Whelen spends more time in the woods than the 06. Compared to a 243..no way...best comparison...12ga. I let a young man at the range shoot my Whelen with 250's. He normally shoots a 300 mag....not any more. | |||
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