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Originally posted by Atkinson:

A Sako has tapered dove tails, the more you shoot it the tighter it gets even if not tightened up enough, as it moves forward with each shot as the gun move rearward.

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Originally posted by Mike McGuire:
In my opinion experience the tapered dove tail design is one big fuckup.

Although it does depend on the mounts. For example were the Sako amounts which had a screw each side (clamping a dove tail to the action dove tail) and this was for wind age. Apart from such system "having to bend things) the mounts could rock on the action.

Sako themselves know it is a fucked system which is why they have the recoil notch on the rear base.

I think you will find on their stuff like TRG they don't have them.

Note for types of target/sniper etc. shooting the cross slot type dove tail is used.

Optilocks don't have the problem of the earlier Sako mounts as they are solid on one side and a screw/clamp system on the other side. But they sure do look fucked.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
I want see a picture of sheared sako mount? inasmuch as a Sako is a double square bridge action..

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
I want see a picture of sheared sako mount? inasmuch as a Sako is a double square bridge action..

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Originally posted by Bushchook:
Don't worry guys. This is a favourite topic of Mike's that has been all over different forums, hence my little jab at him in an earlier post. Who, with an IQ of more than 80 finds it necessary to hammer Sako optilocks onto the dovetails I would ask? Who then sprouts off on the internet about the mounts breaking and claims it is due to poor design? Who whinges incessantly about Sako mounts having a recoil stop (apparently because Sako "know they don't work") when they were designed like that from day one? It wasn't a modification that was made to remedy a problem. Who is it that feels the need to complain about the original Sako windage mounts which work perfectly when fitted by someone with a few clues but which "bend scopes" when fitted by idiots? Who doesn't even own a Sako but feels that he knows more about them than those that own several?
The answer to all of the above questions is Mike McGuire.
As for the friend of the OP who was asking his advice about how to fix Sako mounts I'd suggest he discuss with someone else that either knows something about Sakos or engineering.

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Originally posted by Mike McGuire:
If you took Sako Optilocks mounts and say belted to front one on then you strip/fuckup the screw/clamp on the mount.

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Originally posted by Mike McGuire:

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Originally posted by Bushchook:
Don't worry guys. This is a favourite topic of Mike's that has been all over different forums, hence my little jab at him in an earlier post. Who, with an IQ of more than 80 finds it necessary to hammer Sako optilocks onto the dovetails I would ask? Who then sprouts off on the internet about the mounts breaking and claims it is due to poor design? Who whinges incessantly about Sako mounts having a recoil stop (apparently because Sako "know they don't work") when they were designed like that from day one? It wasn't a modification that was made to remedy a problem. Who is it that feels the need to complain about the original Sako windage mounts which work perfectly when fitted by someone with a few clues but which "bend scopes" when fitted by idiots? Who doesn't even own a Sako but feels that he knows more about them than those that own several?
The answer to all of the above questions is Mike McGuire.
As for the friend of the OP who was asking his advice about how to fix Sako mounts I'd suggest he discuss with someone else that either knows something about Sakos or engineering.

You need to get onto Sako about their TRG rifles....no tapered dovetails....they must have fucked up

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Originally posted by Bushchook:

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Originally posted by Mike McGuire:

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Originally posted by Bushchook:
Don't worry guys. This is a favourite topic of Mike's that has been all over different forums, hence my little jab at him in an earlier post. Who, with an IQ of more than 80 finds it necessary to hammer Sako optilocks onto the dovetails I would ask? Who then sprouts off on the internet about the mounts breaking and claims it is due to poor design? Who whinges incessantly about Sako mounts having a recoil stop (apparently because Sako "know they don't work") when they were designed like that from day one? It wasn't a modification that was made to remedy a problem. Who is it that feels the need to complain about the original Sako windage mounts which work perfectly when fitted by someone with a few clues but which "bend scopes" when fitted by idiots? Who doesn't even own a Sako but feels that he knows more about them than those that own several?
The answer to all of the above questions is Mike McGuire.
As for the friend of the OP who was asking his advice about how to fix Sako mounts I'd suggest he discuss with someone else that either knows something about Sakos or engineering.

You need to get onto Sako about their TRG rifles....no tapered dovetails....they must have fucked up

Tactical rifles all use the picatinny setup and it works pretty well as a general rule. I have nothing against the Weaver or picatinny system. Mind you I know of a few .338 Lapuas that have broken the screws that attach the rail to the action. They obviously need more than 4 screws or God forbid, a recoil stop incorporated into the underside of the rail.
I'd suggest that one of the main reasons Sako uses a double square bridge and tapered dovetails with a recoil or location pin on their hunting rifles is that Weaver rails are bloody ugly and because of the tolerances in the Weaver cross slot design that system is less likely to consistently return to zero when the scope is removed and replaced.
If you want to pick on a shitty scope mounting system then go no further than the Leupold turn in design where the rear mount does nothing much other than provide a windage adjustment.

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:
What some are calling a "recoil lug" on the rear Sako factory ringmount isn't that at all. It is a device intended for relocating the mounts to precisely the same position if they (still attached to the scope) are removed from the rifle. This allows the original ringmount to be detached and re-attached and keep the scope's zero close to it pre-detachment setting.

Veteran Sako shooters often grind this little lug off in order to place the rear ringmount further forward in order to allow more eye relief, particularly when using variable scopes with a thick power ring. The lack of the lug has NO impact on the strength of the mount or its ability to stay in place. I have several mounts that I have modified in this way to achieve greater eye relief and they stay in place just as well as an unmodified mount.

Now, many people make the mistake of attempting to anchor Redfield, Burris, or Weaver bases for the Sako dovetails with set screws. They will attempt to mount the base not fully forward on the dovetail, thus negating the advantage of its taper and relying on the set screw to hold against recoil, which it won't. This is a huge mistake, and Burris came to recognize this by eliminating the set screws entirely from their later bases. Such bases are properly mounted by soundly tapping them as far forward as possible in order for them to strongly seize on the tapered dovetail. The only way they'll come off is to reverse the process by unseating them with a series of blows in the opposite direction, typically applied with a block of hardwood and a mallet.

People who fail to understand how the Sako system works are not necessarily bad people -- they're just uninformed, misinformed, or simply obstinate.

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Originally posted by Pa.Frank:
I hate to hijack the conversation, but since you all are talking about Sako's... I thought i'd jump in.

I have a Sako AV in 375 H&H... and love the rifle.. It has a Leupold 1.5x5 on it, and is holding up just fine..

What i really need though is a front and rear sight for this rifle! The original owner was in his 80's when i got it from him and didn't have a clue what he did with them. (he has since passed..)

Since Atkinson mentioned he has a "box full of Sako mounts" I figured I'd take a chance and see if anyone has the sights in their parts box..

thanks guys!

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:
An A-V would most likely have been equipped with Williams sights. You can contact Williams with information on the distance between the mounting holes and diameter of the barrel at the mounting holes and they can likely provide you a set of sights that duplicates the originals.