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quote:Bigcountry - The recoil is very manageagble. You will know you shot it, but it doesn't hurt at all. I have shot it back to back with a .300 Win Mag Model 70 (9+ lbs), and recoil to me seemed quite similar. The Model 20 in .308 Win is the lightest rifle Mel makes. It's the same (Model 20 - 20 ounce action) as the other short rounds, but because it has a big hole in it, it weighs less. (under 6 lbs scoped & loaded) I was talking to him the other day about maybe making a 308 or 358 for a whitetail rifle. Might have to do that if I have any $$$ left after Zimbabwe. Although his rifles are very light, they are still using a #2 or #3 barrel, so they 'hold' on target well - the savings is in the action, not the barrel. I've seen several 'light' rifles from other makers that have pencil thin barrels and are extremely butt heavy. No so with the ULA. Hot Core - ULA still doesn't make stainless actions - Mel's philosophy is that they don't cycle as smoothly, and are more prone to "locking up". He does use and recommend stainless barrels for the longitivity they provide. He doesn't claim they shoot any more accurately. I'm sorry that you had a poor experience with Mel - he's always impressed me as a "straight shooter" . Jeff | |||
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quote:Hey Jeff, Darn shame about Mel "still" not making Stainless actions. Sure didn't mean to give wrong data concerning his rifles. I think he is probbly a "straight shooter" too. Always treated me nice when I talked to him. I'm really not trying to imply anything negative toward Mel or his operation. I simply view Mel's rifles as "lighter" Remington Custom Shop rifles. Nothing wrong with that at all. And I do have a couple of the Remington Custom Shop rifles in the safe. But, if I'm going to spend the money on a Custom rifle, I'll buy that Custom Rifle made the way "I want it". And it for darn sure will be Stainless and Synthetic. I've just lived too many years in the woods with easy-to-rust Blue and constantly expanding/contracting Wood(termite food) to go that route again. Hard for me to believe folks are still having to learn those lessons. Of course, if they don't take the rifle "outside" then Blue/Wood "might".... naw, still a mistake! | |||
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I have a friend who's hunted Kodiak Island, Alaska, from a boat, with blued wood stocked rifles for 20 years. The way he seals his stocks, they do not move, and I don't think you will find a wetter place to hunt on this planet! As far as rust, just put on a few coats of paste wax. I hunted 2 weeks in pretty much constant rain this year with a blued rifle, and stock prepared per my buddies instructions. It still shoots 3/4" groups to the same POI. Properly assembled rifles, whether blued/wood or ss/syn will be stable and accurate in adverse conditions. | |||
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quote:Paul, I now shoot a 7-30 Contender carbine (although I've got several barrels and other guns) or a .45-70 Contender carbine (6 lbs and my, er, ah, DGR... ). But all my local hunting is Virginia Whitetail deer. I could, and have, killed them with a .45 round ball or bow. The recoil doesn't worry me, I would just like to enjoy and use the rifle until I die. Maybe, I could shoot the barrel out on a .338 and scar up the stock so that I'd have to get another, and... | |||
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CMaxson whar caliber are you looking for? | |||
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GMaxson: I recommend you talk with Sterling Davenport of Tucson, Arizona. Sterling's number is 520-749-5590. Bob | ||
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Hot Core Says: Back a long time ago when Melvin Forbes was just Ultralight Arms, I wanted to buy one of his rifles too. Talked to him a good bit and told him I wanted one made in Stainless. Only problem was, at that time, he only made them in Blue Steel and "wasn't interested" in making a Stainless rifle. A few weeks pass and I call him back to see if he would make me a Blue one, but including him getting the rifle "Armoloyed". Once again he basically and politely said, "If you want one of my rifles, you will have to buy it the way I make it or not at all." Hot core: I do not think I missed your point. I believe my interpretation is consistent with what you typed. (see above) I am interpreting "wasn't interested" in making a Stainless Rifle to mean he wasn't interested in building a Stainless Rifle which is what you wanted him to make ...correct?? As a consumer you have the option to buy elsewhere, that is why I found Melvin's stance to be a respectable one. I don't think anybody feels you are slamming Mel, in fact, I think it's a free country and you are entitled to have your rifle built YOUR way. I was just commenting on his integrity as he was "not interested" in building a rifle with a construction he didn't agree with. I don't think there is a thing wrong with that. If he has some "recipe" that he feels yields a rifle that embodies a certain philosophy (be it light weight, accuracy, etc), then it would be a mistake for him to produce something else that would not be a true representation of this. It's bad for business in the long run. Also, as my original post stated, I do not own a NULA rifle. I do feel they are a fair value if you intend on buying a $2,500.00 rifle though. Deckard | |||
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quote:Hey Deckard, Yes, he didn't want to make a rifle in Stainless. I agree, he was straight forward about the "only way" he builds his rifles. Good, I still think he has a fine product for people who do not want a true Custom Rifle. Hey Paul H, I tried 25 coats of car wax on one of my Rustable Rifles(Blue) that I hunted with and found that a single drop of DEET cut through the wax like a Democrat through Taxes. Don't you have to use DEET where you are in Alaska? Also agree those occasional Termite Food stocks that "appear to be stable" suck a lot of folks in. Best of luck to you with it. | |||
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A good wood stock costs more then a plastic stock, but that's not to say that a good wood stock isnt' as stable as plastic. My buddies used well over a dozen different rifles with no problems, so it's not a fluke. As far as deet, the bugs aren't that bad in the fall when the temps drop. As I recall, deet tends to melt plastic stocks pretty good, I know it makes a mess out of the grips on my fishing rods. | |||
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The best rifle for the $2,500 price level is the Steyr Scout. I have used mine on four African hunts and two Canadian hunts now. jim dodd | |||
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CMAXson if you are looking for a H-S .I have a nice takedown in 7mm ultra for sale.email me eli112711@aol.com | |||
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GMaxson I guess what I have seen or rather not seen in your posts is the reason that YOU feel the need to have a custom rifle. What is it about a decent factory rifle with a moderate amount of investment such as a new trigger is not adequate for your hunting? I am not saying in any manner that a good custom gun is not worth the money that is spent for it but in your case why is the extra $2000 woth the difference in guns? Just for the sake of it, my dream gun would be a Ruger #1 chambered for 6.5-06 with an absolutely georgeous piece of wood by Wenig gunstocks custom fit to me. I dont have a need for it but I sure do have a want for it. Jim B. | |||
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I've had excellent work done by Darrell Holland from Powers, Oregon. He has built two rifles for me based on Remington 700s and both cost around $2,500. They both shoot well and function very reliably. He's not fast, but he is thorough. On the other hand, I would give a wide berth to Wes Harris (Harris Gunworks or whatever he now calls himself). I wasted $2,500 on a rifle built by him. It never came close to working and he finally just blew me off (and declared bankcruptcy). That rifle spend more time in the air (back and forth to Harris's shop) than most people travel in a year. | |||
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FYI, John Lewis accurized a Ruger VT in 22-250 (OK, so I was young and didn't know better about pouring good money after bad--I don't accurize Rugers anymore...) for me a few years ago and I can attest that he does very fine work. Roger Hey Nebraska, who is 'smithing your semi custom gun? | |||
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quote:Dang Jim! How in the world can you think that is the best rifle for the price, when the damn bolt isn't even on the correct side of the rifle? They can't even read the blueprints right! Jeff | |||
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quote:Not meant to be rude but the rifle is very uggly and a bit over engeneerd It won't be considered a classic or known for it beauty to graceful lines. I could only buy one if I enterd the gun store wearing black welding googles and thick heat resistant gloves I perfer good ol'd bolt action rifles. / JOHAN | ||
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I have never purchased a custom rifle but if I did I would consider these guys....they come highly recommended. http://www.prairiegunworks.com/ | |||
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