Not wanting to go with a heavier bullet what 200 grain bullet would get the job done on mooose to 100 yards I have two loads now for deer with the Hornady 200SP one load is at 2450 and the other at 2500 will the hornady hold up on moose at those velocities or should i switch bullets. I was thinking on trying the barnes 200TSX but wasn';t sure of the C.O.L. with that bullet and my loads have to fit the Browning BLR clip.

the Hornady bullet is intended for .35 Remington velocities.....I'd use the TSX or the Northfork as 366 says.

Actually, I'd go a bit heavier bullet for moose.

I think the 200 Hornady would be fine if you don't expect too much of it. I wouldn't expect full penetration of both shoulders, for instance. I've seen plenty of moose taken with Rem. Coreloct bullets and the Hornady is somewhat tougher. If you want a bonded bullet the North Forks would be a good choice. The TSX would be my choice if it will work in your gun.

Nosler Partition.

Rich
DRSS

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Nosler Partition.

Rich
DRSS

There's a 200 Partition in .358? If so that would be a good one too.

I used Hornady 250's @ 2800 fps in my .358 STA last season for elk. I shot a cow at around 100 yds, through both shoulders and the spine. I was very happy with the results; the bullet gave full penetration, good expansion, but did not break apart. One very dead elk with very little blood-shot meat. I'll use them again.

I am a big fan of Nosler Partitions. That would be my 1st choice. I also am a fan of heavier bullets. I would go with 250 grain if I were to use Hornady's Interlock bullets. But considering the cost for a moose hunt I would go with premium bullets Partitions is what I have the most faith in. (BTW I really like Hornady's Interlock bullets!)

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Originally posted by vapodog:
the Hornady bullet is intended for .35 Remington velocities.....I'd use the TSX or the Northfork as 366 says.

Actually, I'd go a bit heavier bullet for moose.

Actually, the 200gr. SPIRE Point was not designed for the .35 Remington at all. The 200gr. RN was yes, but not the SpirePoint.

Horn's 180gr. SSP (single shot pistol) was designed for the .35 Remington. It just doesn't have the jacket to survive velocities much over 2200fps...

Horn's 200gr. SP was designed to operate at velocities up to 3,000fps comfortably. It's jacket and core design are the same as the 250gr. Interlock - ie: a pretty tough bullet.

Having said that, I'd still opt for an even tougher bullet - not so much so because we are talking about moose, but because a moose trip isn't exactly an every day experience. I wouldn't want to take the chance on a bullet failure.

In the 200gr. category, the Barnes TSX is pretty much the only other option. Depending on magazine length, you may have issues with OAL - the TSX is a longer bullet than the 200gr. Horn SP Interlock.

Choice options to consider:

200gr: Horn IL or Barnes TSX
225gr: Barnes, Nosler Part, Swift A-Frame.
250gr: Barnes, Nosler, Swift.

Tough call. I shoot a .350 RMag in a Rem 673 and have settled on a 225 gr. bullet as the optimal bullet at 2650fps. On the other hand I wouldn't feel undergunned in any way with a 200gr. TSX at 2800fps either.

I think in a .358, if your gun shoots it and you can get the velocity you want with a slightly reduced case capacity (due to longer bullet) I'd go with the TSX. I've read reports that the TSX expands reliable at velocities as low as 1700fps...

Having said that, I seriously doubt that the 200gr. Horn SP IL would fail at .358 Win velocities of 2500fps.

YMMV.

The nosler sounds great but they dont make one in 200 grain.I think the tsx would be good i just need to find out from barnes what the col is with that bullet. As far as hornady being tougher then the remington CL i cut both open and found the remington PSPCL had a much thicker jacket then the Hornady SP.

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As far as hornady being tougher then the remington CL i cut both open and found the remington PSPCL had a much thicker jacket then the Hornady SP.

Thicker, yes, but but not made from the same materials. I suspect (although I can't prove it) the Hornady uses higher quality materials and a stiffer core than the Rem CL's.

Here's some reading for you:

http://35cal.com/index.html - pay special attention to his bullet section. It's a really good read.

http://www.marlinowners.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=5522&highlight=

http://www.marlinowners.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=7180&highlight=

Enjoy!

I've found that the Horn's shoot better overall than the CL's. Both are very good bullets.

In my sand box bullet test the Hornady 200 grain spire point opened to a wider frontal area then the round nose corelokt did and lost about 10 grains of bullet weight. Still very good performance. The remington might have lost 4 grains of weight or it may have weighed 196 grains before it was fired. It also went 2 inches deeper in the sand. I like the 200 grain bullets in my BLR as they are accurate and recoil is reasonable but my planned use for the rifle is as a night hog hunting rifle where shots will certainly be under 100 yards and perfect broadside shot won't always be what I get so I have been testing the 250 grain bullets, the Speer Spitzer and some pre interlok Hornady RN's. In testing these two in the sand box the Speer is the softer bullet but both expand greatly and penetration in the sand beats the 200 grain bullets by 1/3rd. In a few minutes I am off to the range to test the 250's for accuracy and adjust the scope to suit them. The load I came up with is 46.0 grains of Winchester's 748 and CCI 250 magnum primers giving around 2200 fps out of my rifle.

I would move up to 225 Nosler Partitions for high velocity rounds and 220 Speers for 2400 or less rounds. I wrote the following after testing a lot of bullets http://35cal.com/35bullet_study/35bullet_study1.html

If neccessary I would try the 200 Hornady Spire or 200 Corelockt spitzer at 2700 or less if nothing else was available. Moose aren't that hard to kill.

Forgot to comment...based on my experience with 250 North Forks the 200 should be a great bullet.

Given the original posters velocities the Hornady or Rem Spitzer should work just fine, holding together well. The problem islow sectional density the 200 35 is about equivelant to a 150 grain 308 bullet.

The 220 Speer FN might be better IMO.

The range session went well despite gusting winds up to 30 mph and that I wasn't dressed warm enough for how cool it felt. The 250 grain bullts hit aproximatly 16 inches lower than the 200 grain bullets the rifle was sighted in for at 50 yards. Got the 250's centered with 7 shot and hit the 100 yard range. Not counting a few flyers due to the wind moving me around I got 4 3 shot groups of less than an inch and a half. Recoil did not seem very different than with the 200 grain bullets or I amn just getting used to the rifle. The Hornady 250 grain RN hits 2 inches lower than the Speer 250 so I sighted it to hit dead on at 100 yards with the Speer bullet hitting 2 inches high.

I have used this bullet a few times for deer in the 35 Rem and the 358 Win. both in bolt actions, I have never recoverd any bullets, on broadside shots on moose I would not have any concerns. If you can hold off for the broadside shot go for it, I have no doubt the 200 Hornady Spitzer will do the job. If you have doubts try the 225 NP or the 200 Barnes.
bigbull

Thanks everyone for your opinions, i think the hornady 200 SP will get the job done but i'll do some testing with a fdew different bullets i like the 200 TSX and the Swift 225 A-frame also i'll look at some north fork bullets which have been reccommended to me alot . I just need to see which will fit in the BLR clip. Thanks again Tanoose

I only have experience with the 358 Winchester on whitetail. Certainly not a basis for comparison. But I have heavy cast and 275 gr old Hornadys. The problem is going to be length for your Browning's magazine. It's a free opinion but the Nosler 225 gr partition and the Barnes 225 gr TSX would be my choice due to sectional density. The partition may be the one to try for the length. I think it is a good bit shorter than the Barnes. It has a rounder nose and the X has more point and length due to the monometal construction. Thus the Nosler? My free take on the decision process. Packy

Tanoose

Basically any of the mentioned bullets will fit the BLR clip, you just have to seat the bullet to the right C.O.L. go to Connolly precision's web site, all 10 of the custom loads will function in a BLR and they pretty much load all of the premium bullets in .358 caliber. I would go with the 200gr TSX, want to try it in my BLR but i know its not necessary for whitetails. Im currently using the 200gr Rem core-lokt S.P. i used the 200gr Hornady S.P. on a spike two years ago and one of em came apart totally. It was a tough shot that went through the rear femur and i found part of the jacket sticking out of the heart! Its a long story but there was something up with my scope and it took quite a few to put him down, but seeing that loss of jacket on a 130lb whitetail spike kind of got me to thinkin.....i would go the TSX or North Fork route, for moose.

Tanoose

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