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45/70 Yes, you are correct. You could get it done with a 9.3X62 or a 64, but a 9.3 B&M is not about the cartridge, it's about the package and the platform. 9.3 B&M comes with a 18-20 inch barrel, weighs 6.5 lbs, and exceeds performance of the 64. Cartridges are a dime a dozen, and you are still thinking inside the box! Sorry to differ, but a 9.3 is a world away from a rat shooting 308 or any .308 caliber. Especially when it comes to larger animals. 338 is a major step up from 308, never mind .366. I am talking about terminal performance and animal reactions when hit, a very very very noticeable difference. Can you kill those same with a 308? Of course, not what I am talking about. I am talking about knocking them hard and putting them in the dirt. As that goes, hell a 22 will do what a 308 can! But do you walk around shooting bears with 22s? I think not. Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Never said a short action was the goal. Just would be a added benefit to having another barrel for my current WSM. Don't see buying another rifle being cheaper much less two rifles, unless I was to stumble on to a Really good deal. Maybe a rebore but then I wouldn't have a 300 anymore. My 300 WSM M-70 is a "controlled round feed - push feed" which is nothing more than a push feed with the bolt face opened up on the bottom portion. No extra machine work on the barrel. And..I guess it's how you define wildcat. None of them started on paper and went directly into production. Somebody "played" with them before they were mass produced. In regards to the RUM, see advantage #5 on Stonecreeks post above. (although the B&M line of cartridges will probably keep the RUM brass sales alive) "The right to bear arms" insures your right to freedom, free speech, religion, your choice of doctors, etc. ....etc. ....etc.... -----------------------------------one trillion seconds = 31,709 years------------------- | |||
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So a 30 caliber bullet won't kill big things with gusto ? Suggest you read up on Bell's and Shoemaker's exploits. But, hey, build whatever you want. I'll admit to having a 22-06 and 400 Whelen. Good luck and share pics when done. FYI Fred Zeglin is an expert at building ACCURATE switch barrel rifles. | |||
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Thank you 45/70, for the advice. However, I think I will listen to my own exploits, and I can promise you, I have built whatever I want, and it's 100% successful. I can share a lot of pics, just go to the B&M website. No need for Fred, bell, or shoemaker. Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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I am building a 338 Ruger. I chose the caliber because I bought a Montana short magnum action; I beat the guy down on the price to where I had to buy it. I did not need another 6.5>.308 but only have one 338. I am not looking to beat this or equal that, just get 2300 or so with 250s out of an 18” barrel. I got 300 pieces of brass from Midway so I feel I am set for a hunting gun. Mark | |||
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Thank you gentlemen for your replies. I think there is enough of an advantage in the WSMs and Ruger Compact Magnums to make them useful: shorter, trimmer & lighter rifles with 85-90% of the performance of their bigger brothers. To me, the .300 WSM & .325 WSM make the most sense - have the greater utility. The .325 WSM with 220 grain bullets is not far off the .338 Win Mag with 225 grain bullets. This, to my mind, espeically when used with the 'standard' 200 grain bullet weight make it a useful, portable mountain - long range rifle based upon trajectory and energy. Which makes me wonder why the .325 WSM is not chambered by more companies. I can only think of Winchester, Browning & Kimber. I really like the Kimber short magnums, but I am left handed and they do not make a left hand rifle. In light of this, I wondered why Dakota rifles have not been chambered for the .325 WSM cartrdge? I have seen .270, 7MM & .300 WSM rifles, plus some .300 & .338 RCM rifles and even some Remingtomn short magnums, but never the .325. Is there some problem with the Dakota and the .325 WSM which does not exist with the .300 WSM? I had thought of keeping a watch on the Guns International website etc for a used, left handed Dakota WSM. This is probably the best way of doing this as it appears that now Remington owns Dakota, Dakota are no longer making th eshort action WSM rifles at all. It would still mean a re-barrelling job though. | |||
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While many will see some advantages to the short magnums, the truth is that they just don't sell. I stocked many of them at first, had trouble moving them and some customers told me they are a bugger to reload. If the market is not there, and it's not, then they won't be produced. Your best bet might be to take a left hand action of choice and have someone rebarrel it for you in the .325wsm. That's probably going to be your best bet, and you can get it set up the way you really want it. JP Sauer Drilling 12x12x9.3x72 David Murray Scottish Hammer 12 Bore Alex Henry 500/450 Double Rifle Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock 6.5x55 Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock .30-06 Walther PPQ H2 9mm Walther PPS M2 Cogswell & Harrison Hammer 12 Bore Damascus And Too Many More | |||
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MDStewart, I think you are correct. I will check if Dakota Arms still produces a short magnum action (.308 Win length?), which has enough beef in it to have the bolt face enlarged from .473 to .532/5 inches. This will be the cheapest option. The alternatives get realy expensive - custom Mausers like Granite Arms / Arizona and FTH / Germany make Kurz left hand action lengths suitable for the WSMs. The trick will be keeping the weight close to the Kimber 8400 WSM Classic's 6 lbs 10. | |||
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Mark, it sounds like you are doing a 338RCM. If bychance you are doing a full 338Ruger, please let us know where you getting the reamer and reloading dies. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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Not sure if it would work, or if you even like the action, but I believe Tikka still makes a left hand gun in .300wsm. Not sure if it would handle the .325.? JP Sauer Drilling 12x12x9.3x72 David Murray Scottish Hammer 12 Bore Alex Henry 500/450 Double Rifle Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock 6.5x55 Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock .30-06 Walther PPQ H2 9mm Walther PPS M2 Cogswell & Harrison Hammer 12 Bore Damascus And Too Many More | |||
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Well for me it meant picking up a barely used Winchester LH Featherweight in 270WSM with a Nikon Buckmaster scope attached, and a box of ammo thrown in for $550 from a local shop. Very accurate as well. | |||
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MDStewart - I am not particularly keen on the Tikka. The new owners of Sako / Tikka, to my mind, lost their way a bit. The new Sako 85 is nice but they do not make a left handed short action, nor any left hand WSM rifles. The largest WSM they make is .300 WSM. I admit a preference for controlled feed and extraction too. The Granite Arms 'short action' weighs in at 2 lbs 15 oz. I do not know the weight of FTH (FZH?) Kurz actions. The Dakota 76 is not a light weight action either, relatively speaking. My initial research leads me to think the Mod 97 would be the better route to take if I wanted to emulate the Kimber 8400M rifles. The Mod 97 actions are lighter than the Mod 76. Also, unlike the flat bottomed Mod 76, they have a rounded profile like the Remington 700 and similar to the pictures I have seen of the Kimber rifles. So, there are a wide range of after market stock options to choose from. With all the administrative / licencing and importing issues to be dealt with here in the UK, it is more cost effective to drop the coin on the best rifle you can afford (within your means). Importing from the US can be difficult - many companies will not considered it, even if you have a export - import company all lined up for them. This is a real pity, as I have found over the years Swarovski telescopic sights with reticles not offerred in the UK/ European market. | |||
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