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Originally posted by ColoradoMatt:

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
I am surprised at the negative comments about the Speer 270gr bullet.

Maybe I need to go back and carefully re-read every post, but I don't recall any negative comments about the Spear 270 grainer. The man just wants what he wants- that being an inexpensive 235 grain 9.3mm bullet. Don't know why everyone has to try to convince him to buy the gold plated bullets, or the heavier bullets. He wants cheap 235 grainers from a major manufacturer. How hard is that to understand??!!

Mat

Read the OP--he didn't ask for cheap in it.

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Originally posted by ColoradoMatt:

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
I am surprised at the negative comments about the Speer 270gr bullet.

Maybe I need to go back and carefully re-read every post, but I don't recall any negative comments about the Spear 270 grainer. The man just wants what he wants- that being an inexpensive 235 grain 9.3mm bullet. Don't know why everyone has to try to convince him to buy the gold plated bullets, or the heavier bullets. He wants cheap 235 grainers from a major manufacturer. How hard is that to understand??!!

I was talking about bluefish, who stated his FIL had bad results with them.

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Originally posted by dpcd:
Please read my OP; I am not asking for a 250 grainer; as you point out, too close to the 270. I want a flatter shooting, faster, 225-230 grain, (like Norma makes but no one can get). Just like the choices we have for the 375H&H, a 235 for deer and 270s and 300s for bigger stuff.
( I actually still have some Speer 250s left over from the 1970s, and they are great.)
As for "just get a 30-06"; you all have to realize that I am a product of Elmer Kieth's writings; Thirty Calibers and below are strictly pest guns. To me and Elmer.
So now, I have two votes.....

Make that three!

Bob

www.bigbores.ca

I would be glad to try a 230gr tsx if they made one!

I have shot a lot of game with the GS customs 232 gr HP and its an awesome killer..I don't think $2.00 is out of line for good hunting bullet, 50 of them should get you at least 45 head of game..I would prefer to save a buck somewhere else than with my bullets...However 9.3s are about $65 per box not a $100..

GS Customs is now a US based bullet company. Gerards daughter and her husband are distributors in the USA now..

Order 100,000 and you can specify bullet shape, weight, diameter, and where you want the cannelure from any manufacturer. Connie Barnes told me that a couple of SHOT Shows back.

Then all you have to do is get some of the members here to buy the other 99,000.

That is Option A.

Option B is to go on the cast bullets forum, scroll down to the swaging forum, and pay BT Sniper a couple thousand dollars to custom make a set of swaging dies to your design. J4 probably already makes jackets to suit.

regards,

Rich

You forgot option C; swage down 235 grain Speer 375s for which I have tooling already. Or option D; forget it and shoot the heavies, which is what I have been doing.

For hunting; price is no problem, but I shoot these things on the range by the hundreds and simply can't afford these high prices for bullets. I don't shoot small bore rifles (meaning anything below 338), so bullet prices are an issue for me. Tbat's why I shoot a lot of Speers and Privis. And Hornadys. All mass produced, non premium, cup and core, simple, bullets.

Or option E cast some and go shoot Clint

I have been shooting a 10 gram monolith bullet for 8 seasons with satisfactory results

Have a look for yourself but this is the lightest 9.3 projectile around

http://lutzmoeller.net/9,3-mm/9,3x62.php

232 orynx is also very effective

Inherited 1200 of these for free last season and dropped a few angry critters last winter

I did not find it short on power as compared to 250 , 286 or 325 grains

Really down to shot placement

a 9.3 bock loaded with 10 grams projectile can be considered as a reduce load 30-06 for small antelopes and elephants at the other end of the spectrum

150 - 325 grains

With 250 accubond in the middle being the most aerodynamic

What more can somebody ask for from a calibre .....

Ok, had to go into Corbin's website to make sure that I'm using the 'correct' terminology and not the 'presumed internet' terminology.

If you guys are wanting 'currently nonexistent' traditional C&C construction bullets in .366 caliber then one, or each of you, should consider 'making your own'.

'Make your own' not in the sense of complete manufacture from basic jacket cup and lead wire for core.

'Make your own' by drawing thinner jacketed lighter or heavier weight .358 caliber bullets up to .366 caliber. Or by swaging thinner jacketed lighter weight .375 caliber bullets down to .366 caliber.

A word of caution. There will be some spring-back in the jacket so you need to consider this when making your decision. You'd want to draw the .358 caliber bullets up to .367-.3675 caliber or swage the .375 caliber bullets down to .365-.364 caliber to assure when spring-back of the jacket material occurs that the final diameter is 'as close' to .366 caliber as possible.

Oh yes, another thing to ponder. If not using a bonded core bullet you'll want to swage the .375 caliber bullet a few thousands smaller and then draw the bullet back to slightly over .366 caliber so that the core 'refills' any gaps between the cup and core resulting from the initial swaging process.

Anyway, something to ponder as a solution to your desires.

If I had inherited 1200 Norma bullets, I would not care about this.
I have made many .366s out of 270 grain, .375 jacketed bullets; back in the 70s and 80s, 9.3 components were about impossible to find. Speer made some 250 grainers, but they were hard to find as well. So I made a die and swaged down 375s. They shot well enough to kill bear at 30 yards but I never tested them in a bolt rifle.
Anyone remember the converted and stretched .444 Marlin brass they used to sell for 9.3x74r? It was crap. I still want a major US maker to make them.

DP: Unlike a lot of individuals here i am 100% on board with you. I do not make bullets, i am not in the wealth arena were i can go out and spend 1000's on rifles i would love to have but are out of reach and can not afford sending 1.00 and 2.00 dollar bullets down range to find that perfect load. I talked to a guy at Speer (over the net) and asked him also about making a 235 gr. SP in the near future. I also noted to him that he would have this market arena practically all to themselves. He contacted me later a mentioned that he would take the idea to the upper personnel for consideration. I can only hope they also see the potential for sales. Again i am all heartedly with you.

I keep thinking, why not just paper patch the 180 gr Speer .357 bullet?

I am currently testing a. 366 190gr bullet. I will most likely make a 170gr and will definitely do a 230 in the 9.3

This Is the 190gr

www.auscp.net.au

I don't buy a one gun all around caliber hockey..To me a light deer bullet in the 9.3x62 would be a 7x57 with 130 gr. Speers...For Elk and deer I like the 232 GS Customs or the 286 gr. Nosler partition..

I just believe in SD and penetration, and short light for caliber bullets lose velocity in a hurry and lack penetration under severe circumstances like the Texas heart shot, which I'm not at all adverse to if your packing enough gun and it doesn't take much on a deer.

There is no such thing as bullet failure with either the 9.3x62 or 375 H&H, they kill them anyway with or without expansion and if the bullet was to come apart, which I have not seen, it would have the effect of swalling a stick of C-4 with a lit fuse...

I have a few old Nosler Balistic tips with the olive drab tips in 9.3x62 and they will open a deer up like a can of sardines after you toss the key away..Too soft for elk, and the 270 gr. Speer is pretty soft but works great on deer.

Sidewinder
Nice bullet and I like the thought of a 230 and a 250 in that design.
When will they be available?
I'd love to test some.

mate over the next few weeks im hoping. ill try and get quite a few pigs on the deck in that time so we will see. The beauty of the bullet is, is that if you dont like my exact weight/hardness......then you just say hey guys can i have one that opens a little earlier etc, we build it, keep a code in the machine for you and then every time you order from then on you have your own custom bullet that suits your individual need

I guess Ray and I are on the same page here. It's pretty hard to beat the BC of the Nosler 9.3s, .482 for the 286gr Partition and .493 for the 250gr AB.

And it IS difficult to give bullets with an SD of less than .248 (232gr) a BC of over .350. I like my bullets to have BOTH decent SD's and BC's. They hold their velocity better down range.

Now in the case of short to medium range, there is nothing wrong with a round nose like Prvi and some Normas.

But hey, variety is spice, right? So if Speer can come up with a 235gr SP in c&c, I'd use 'em on yotes.... that is, if in this decade!

But like the OP says, I have no intention of paying a dollar or two for paper-punch or yote bullets

Bob

www.bigbores.ca

With my 9,3x74R double rifle I have used several diffwerent bullets, from the 232 Vulcan, to the 270 Speer, to include several different 286 gr bullets.

For an inexpensive bullet for hunting of game under 400 lbs the Speer would work.

However, on any kind of expensive hunt, I am a believer in a Premium bullet.

With the 286gr Nosler Partition, and the 286 gr Woodleigh Soft, I have killed game from antelope to zebra, beaver to [cape] buffalo,& baboon, to, caracel to civit cat, to coyote, wild pigs to warthog, turkeys to guiena fowl, to giraffe and elephants,with solids.

IMHO the best bullet weight for the 9,3x62, or the 9,3x74R is 265grains....

It will do it ALL.

However, IF you are on a serious budget, and you are shooting a BUNCH of deer and/or pigs, with a 9,3 then just use the 270 Speer.

Just IMHO, BUT, I have been there and done that.

I suppose if some of these boys can kill a deer or buffalo with a bow then I could do the same with a 270 gr. speer in a 9.3 or a 25-35 for that matter.