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Hi,am thinking about a Ruger Hawkeye stainless in 358win.Anyone have any feedback on either the cartridge or the rifle?Also ,am I better off necking up virgin 308 brass or will brass picked up from the range(once fired)still be ok to use?Regards Toby | ||
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Necking up virgin brass will be "easier", but with a taperd expander and some graphite, things go well with fired cases too. Remember, forgivness is easier to get than permission. | |||
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I don't know why I like the 358 so much but it just works like magic and none of my buddies have one. Like the 6.5x55 it works well beyond its paper baliistics. I can't get enough of it. 358 brass is not too hard to get, Winchester still makes it. However, it's very easy to make it from 308 brass. Lou **************** NRA Life Benefactor Member | |||
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My other rifles are in 222Rem and 6,5x55,I don't know why I just really fancy a 358win  | |||
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Necking up 308 brass is just as easy as neck sizing and works just fine. I have been doing this with good success. I just got a blue/wood Hawkeye in 358 Win. First time out this past Saturday, I got these results. I didn't list the powder weights because some might say these are a teeny bit warm. Brass showed no pressure signs. 200 TSX; VV N133; V(3)=2625 fps; SD(3)=3; 3 shot 100 yd group= 5/8" 200 TSX; IMR 4895; V(3)= 2613 fps; SD(3)= 28; 3 shot 100 yd group= 7/8" 225 NP; IMR 4895; V(3)= 2573 fps; SD(3)=10; 3 shot 100 yd group= 5/8" The new trigger design is much crisper but pull weight runs about 4 1/2#'s from factory. Recoil pad leaves something to be desired. I'm pleased with this rifle. It shoots pretty decent. I think I can wring a little better performance from it. It was a tough (but fun) day at the range. I fired about 100 rounds total from this rifle, a 9.3x62, a 35 Whelen, and a .308 with a showoff next to me shooting a large caliber semiauto handgun as fast as he could load and empty a magazine. | |||
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I'm very interested in this post as well, I recently got a .358 Win but in a Savage 99. I'm going to try 180 grain Speer FP, and Sierra SP 200 & 225 grain bullets in it. I just ordered properly headstamped brass from Graf's as I couldn't find any locally, and all the .308 virgin brass was sold out. Hell I couldn't even find any loaded ammunition either but I found .348 and .356 Win. | |||
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I have two 358s a BLR and a little Rem. custom job that weighs about 6.5 pounds they both love 200 gr Rem corelocks have not shot any other bullets as the cheap ones shoot so well have only shot one deer with the round bangfloop and very little meat loss. | |||
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I love the 35 cal rifles. I have a 358 BLR. I have only used it during the past year, but it worked quite well on a bison last spring. I do have two Model 94s in 356, and they have harvested grizzly, black bear, mule deer and elk. The 35 calibre works very well. You will love the calibre. I suspect that you will love the rifle as well. The Hawkeye is an attractive rifle. I have actually weighed selling my BLR and buying the Hawkeye, but then, I would have to give up a rifle that does shoot consistently sub-MOA. | |||
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midwayusa has 358win brass. just bought 100rds with the "birthday discount" | |||
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just been offered an old Rem 700BDL for next to nothing,could be a Rem based custom  What barrel lengths are you guys running? | |||
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Can anyone give me some advice as to twist rates for the barrel?I would plan to use Sierra 225grsGK and/or 250grs Hornady SP.From what I've researched it seems like 1-12" is the way to go. | |||
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One of my .358 Wins is a custom built on a Tikka Whitetail Hunter action. Barrel is a Pac-Nor No. 4 contour 24" long with a 1-12" twist. This rifle was built to shoot 225 grain Partitions as the main load. I also have .358 Wins with 1-16"(Ruger 77RS carbine 18.5" barrel) and 1-14" (Savage 110 22" barrel) barrels. If I ever build another one, it will have a 1-12" twist barrel probably 21" long in a No. 3 contour TreeFarmer. TreeFarmer NRA Life Member Moderation in the pursuit of decadence is no virture. | |||
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My 358 is built on a Savage 16 action w/Accue trigger..Pac Nor 12 twist 5 groove 21" x .80" SS SM barrel...scope is a 4200 1-6 w/Firefly reticle...handles all bullets from 158 JHPs up to 250 gr Hornady SPs very well...158s @ 2000 fps & 250s @ 2350 fps...the 358 Win is a serious big game rifle...I use 308 Hornady Match brass necked up to 358 with no problems..meet 'Thumper'...PS...I also shoot a 6.5x55 Tikka...   | |||
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Totally agree ... No3 contour, 1:12" between 20 and 22". Results in a sporter weight rifle, handles well, light recoiling ... perfect! Cheers... Con | |||
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i bought a savage 99 featherweight in 358 last year. very nice shape. paid full value. came with about 6 boxes of 60's era loaded ammo. have not been able to bring myself to shoot it. i do shoot a 350 rem mag a fair amount. | |||
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A 22 inch bbl is generally enough...a 23 inch is even better. My favorite loads is 49.5 grains of IMR 4895 over a 225 grain Nosler Partition. I have taken many African plains games a couple cow elk all with devastating results. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Mike, over or under? **************** NRA Life Benefactor Member | |||
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I am a .358 fan too. The .35 cal cartridges are great game killers. I like the .35 Rem too. My .358 is built on a Rem M78(plain jane 700) with a 23" Douglas barrel. I use it for hunting whitetails in the TN woods. I call it the TBush rifle for 'the buck stops here', which they do. My favorite bullet is the Speer 220g FP over Win 748. The load, bullet, and rifle are real deer whackers. The .358 is one of the best medium size medium bore game cartridges ever developed imho. The Hawkeye .358 ought to be a super rifle. I think the M77 is the best factory hunting rifle being made. Plateau Hunter | |||
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These days there are very few rifles I truly lust after. BUT you have no concept of how jealous I am of you. You have an absolutely lovely model in a great chambering. You lucky dog!!! | |||
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Is necking up 338 Federal brass not an option as well? Just wondering if that may not be a good choice if other choices are scarcer. | |||
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Hey AC, here are some pictures for you to turn more green with envy! Enjoy! I got the rifle out of The Dalles, OR a couple months ago. It cost me a synthetic M700 ADL in .30-06 with Leupold VXIII 2.5-8 scope and a few extra dollars. The person I got it off of wanted a hunting rifle with more common ammunition. We were both very happy with the deal to say the least!           | |||
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I love my 358. Mine is a custom Sako L579 I have a 25 in barrel on mine with a 2.5X compact Leupold on it. The barrel is a little long but balances great so no need to cut it down. Mine is a 1-12 and shoots 200, 225, and 250's great. If I was to build another I'd use the same action or use a MRC. I'd use a heavy contour 18.5 in barrel and build it compact. Mine shoots so good I'll just keep on shooting it DRSS Member | |||
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I had a beautiful custom Sako AII in 358 that I wish I still had. But, I still have a custom Winchester M70 Classic Featherweight that I built and will NEVER part with. I just can't say enough about the 358 Win, it's truly an efficient killing machine. Lou **************** NRA Life Benefactor Member | |||
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I use a Savage brush gun, Series A with grooved foreend as in the picture above. Wonderful bang flop guns and the slickest lever rifle I have ever owned. The Savage doesn't have the same bumps and clunks when cranked as my 1895 Marlin, Win 94, or the old 86 Winchester. The 358 is one I make from Lake City 7.62 X 51 brass. I use two grains less than recommended in the book for commercial brass. The Remington bulk 200 gr bullet has killed all my game so far. It almost seems to have more smack with the flat point rather than pointed. I have 280 gr WFN cast and old Hornady 275 gr RNs but haven't needed them. The 1/12 twist of the Savage barrel should shoot them fine. I think you guys using the 1/12 are on the right track. Remington and all should use it on every 358 cal. I have had so much fun with the 35 cals I want to own one of each. But my 9.3 explorations and My old Honda DOHCs keep taking all my spending money these days. Just too little time and cash for all the fun to be had. God Bless. Packy | |||
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TR: I picked up a stainless Hawkeye .358 last fall. It is definitely a keeper - it is one of the most accurate out-of-the-box rifles I have ever bought. We had a lousy winter, so I haven't been able to test it as much as I would have hoped. However, with a box of the current W-W SUPER 200 gr. Silvertip factory load I got four 100-yd. 3-shot groups that averaged 1.28", and one 5-shot group that was 1.19". Average velocity was 2462 fps at 15' from the muzzle. With reloads (in once-fired Winchester .308 brass necked up, and CCI-200 primers) I have tested the 200 gr. Hornady PSP with 3031, 4064, and Varget. For each powder, I tested 4 rounds each loaded with 5 different powder charges (1 gr. intervals to book max., fired at 100 yd. with the chronograph at 15'); each powder was tested on a different day, and each test group was separated by about 15 min. of cool-down. Temperatures were between 10 and 20°C. With 3031 I got a sub-MOA 4-shot group with the middle load (and 2378 fps), but subsequent 3-shot groups average about 1.5". With 4064, the second lowest powder charge gave a sub-MOA group. I've only tested this load once since; it put 5 in 0.69" (centre-to-centre)  ; velocity averaged 2294 fps. My last test was with Varget. The worst group was the starting load, at 1.26"; three were sub-MOA, including the max. load (2442 fps) For sighting-in and barrel break-in, I loaded 10 cases with the 200 gr. Hornady RNSP, and the dregs of a can of 4320. I only needed three to get on the bull; the remaining seven went into 1.23", but velocity was low (2221 fps). This load revealed the only flaw with this rifle; it will not feed round nose bullets. I had to insert the cartridge into the chamber and then close the bolt on it. Trying to force such a round in from the magazine just resulted in a jam with a deep crescent being formed in the nose of the bullet. Subsequent testing with dummy rounds has shown that it will not feed the 180 or 220 gr. Speer FNSPs either. However, it feeds slick with the Hornady PSP, the 200 gr. Remington PSP-CL, and the 225 gr. Sierra PSPbt. I'll just have to keep the blunt-nosed bullets for my .35 Rem. and .35 Whelen! Hope this helps with your decision. Cheers, Al | |||
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Or you could get a gunsmith to fix the non feeding issue. I had the same problem with a M98 and the fix was to weaken the folower spring. I opened up the feed rales just a little at the front which smoothed things up too. Leftists are intellectually vacant, but there is no greater pleasure than tormenting the irrational. | |||
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I've got 2 358's one is an older BLR and it always shot handloads into < 1" @ 100yds. Retired it when I had a Rem 700 SA rechambered to 358. It shoots the same reloads w/the same precision. Seriously slams deer - dead on the spot and have never required a finishing shot. I think we're all familiar w/the "brush buster" hoopla - but I still take it into the cedar swamps here in the UP - provides a real level of comfort. If I were going to buy another deer rifle, the Ruger in this caliber would be my first (and second) choice. Reliable gun in a proven deer-killing caliber w/a Leupold scope = feel good success!!! No more complex than that. Mike Si vis pacem, parabellum! Si vis pacem... parabellum | |||
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I have had 4 different .358's a Win. 88,a savage 99a and 2 Browning blr's I'm down to one now a BLR. The savage 99 wouldn't take my hot loads. I was offered too much money for the 88 and I only needed 1 blr. Wish I had not sold an of them. As we speak a friend is hunting bear in MB with the 88. The .358 is a very good and accurate. I shot 29 bear's with my blr and none required tracking I use speer .250 grn bullets and I've only been able to recover one. The best powder I've ever found is AA2015br but it is no longer made. I'v been using 748 but it fills the case to the top of the neck. Look at the AA powders I think it is aa2520 that gives 2390 with the .250 bullet | |||
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I have a Remington 700 in 358 Win. and I will never let it go. I may take it with me when I go. My kids would never appreciate it and maybe there is some good hunting in heaven. Speer, Sierra, Lyman, Hornady, Hodgdon have reliable reloading data. You won't find it on so and so's web page. | |||
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Update so far,have acquired the Rem 700 Adl.Test shooting showed that apart from a heavy trigger grouping was excellent.So,for the moment I will stick with .308win.When it is time for a rebarrel then 358win will be my first choice.Thanks for the input guys!-Toby | |||
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Toby, I bought a Stainless Hawkeye a couple of months ago and am really happy with it so far. Ruger tough with a really nice crisp trigger. Have shortened the bbl to 19" so it has less overhang on the handlebars of my bike and at that length has a very nice quick handling 'feel' but is still well balanced. It wears a 2-7 and feel this is probably close to the ideal powered variable for this outfit as I intend to use it out to no more than 200m. I'm currently using a mild load of 41.7gr H4895 and a Rem 200gr RN Core-Lokt in necked-up 308 brass. This is way under max but judging by the trajectory is still giving me around 2200fps which is plenty for what I'm using it on. It easily shoots under 1.5" at 100m with this load and the groups shrink down closer to the inch mark with a bit less powder and the Sierra 225. But for hunting at these lower velocities and short ranges I prefer the CL as it opens up and holds together nicely. One thing I found interesting was with the new un-adjusted scope in those fantastic Ruger rings, the first shot out of the outfit was less than 2 inches from point of aim at 100m. And people knock Rugers? Great cartridge and a really good rifle. Cheers.  Boof | |||
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I bought my wife a .358 for her Encore . . . 22" barrel with a 1.5-6x42 Sightron scope . . . I load 225 TSX bullets - since she got it in June of last year, she's used it on Red Hartebeast, Warthog, Springbok, Blesbok, Feral Hogs, and an Axis Buck. Troy | |||
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Mine is the euro equivalent, 9.3x57. This little Husky M46 is maybe 6lbs and with a 15in lop fits me like my shotgun. I was lucky to get this one when you could get these in almost new condition. I used the drop and lop of this stock for my 10.75 Mauser. | |||
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You'd understand if you lived in Australia!! A 35Rem is like rocking horse poo to source, though it can be ordered as a new rifle. In Victoria ... its also not legal for our deer having a case length under 2". But nugman ... if you want to spend some cash ... have a beater No4 Enfield rebarrelled with an A&B barrel to 303/35. Now its a rifle that'll shoot as fast as your Marlin, reload faster with stripper clips and have a 10 shot capacity!  Cheers... Con | |||
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Yeah but it is still a ugly beater with no scope It is better off in it's original caliber with 215 Rem Corelokts | |||
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I bought brass from Midway USA and it works great, 358 Win and no messing around with necking up. I have a Ruger Frontier rifle with a Leupold 1.5X5 and shot a 3/4" 2 shot 100 yards group the other day with handloads. Load is 44.0 gr. of 4064, Rem 200 PSPCL, Fed LR Match primer-my dad's load- and boy does it shoot in my gun. Enjoy | |||
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I have a friend who owns a 358 Winnie here in Maine and it's shot everything that can be shot legally and, I am told, has never been found wanting. Of course, we are mainly denizens of the forest and the shooting can be tight and picky, but that seems to be where such a cartridge is most at home. | |||
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TR do you have pictures of the new rifle yet? Packy | |||
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This is a 258Win I've been putting together for this years Elk season. I'd like to try it on a timber hunt.  The only easy day is yesterday! | |||
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The only easy day is yesterday! | |||
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