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My 280AI is a Pierce Ti rifle with a Mark Brown (Brown Precision) custom Kevlar stock. It has a 27" Douglas barrel and a 3X9 Zeiss scope with a Jewell trigger. I'm doing a hog hunt in about a week. Pictured below is 4 groups of 3 shots each. All groups used RL22 and 64grains. I used Nosler Partitions in 140GR and Berger 140GR hunting VLD bullets. I will be shooting at a max of 125yds. The Bergers sure look good, but I am anxious to see how they do on the hogs. I did have a casehead separation and double checked both a fired case and a sized case. Normally it comes from bumping the shoulders too much, but my bump gauge doesn't show that. The brass increases in size at the web .003" after firing a round compared to a sized case. The primers are damn flat though. I will need to drop my load a little. All of these are 3 shot groups   | ||
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Butch, At those velocities and ranges I'd bet a notable amount of money that the Bergers would totally fragment but the NP's will penetrate nicely. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Mark, I swapped emails with Carmichel yesterday. He has killed 2 trainloads of animals around the World with his 280. He suggested the Partitions also. Jim did say that he was fortunate to kill 3 Bongos in 4 days with his 280. I'll probably drop down to 3000fps. I just need to try the Bergers on hogs. I've killed a lot of animals with the old Partitions. | |||
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The Berger bullets are designed to fragment heavily. I shot a 120 lb doe with one and only found shrapnel. From the Berger website. The Hunting bullet line is proving to be the most lethal big game hunting bullets available. All of our Hunting bullets are made in the VLD or Hybrid designs. These designs incorporate a sharp nose and slightly thinner jacket that allows the bullet to penetrate 2” to 3” before it starts to expand. After the bullet starts to expand it will shed 40% to 85% of its weight as shrapnel into the surrounding tissue (internal organ). The combination between the shrapnel and the hydrostatic shock produces a massive wound cavity within the vital area (internal organs) that will be 13” to 15” long. This massive wound cavity results in the animal dropping fast since most go into shock after such a tremendous blow. Those animals that don’t go down immediately will soon succumb to blood pressure loss and/or organ failure producing a quick ethical kill. Our bullets don’t poke through like an arrow (high weight retention, deep penetration bullets) but instead dump their energy where it is most effective, inside the animal. Using the Berger VLD will result in an animal that goes down fast so you can enjoy the results of your hunt without having to track the wounded animal after the shot. You owe it to yourself to see how accurate and deadly the Berger Hunting VLD will be on your next hunt. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I am not sure if we have exchanged 280 AI info before. I found Re22 too slow in my Sako L61R with 24 inch barrels. Same with MRP. I got 3200 fps with 139 & 140 gr bullets using IMR4831 & VV N560. Also Re19. Even H4350 (ADI AR2209) came pretty close. I got consistently good results with Re19, IMR4831 & best was N560 with 160 gr Accubonds which gave me the Nosler book velocity of around 3000 fps IMHO your 64gr of Re22 may be too hot. Yes I see you have 27 inch barrel & you should get close to 3300 with 140 gr bullets & IMR 4831. I would try 57 gr & go up 1 or 2 if necessary. My max was 60 gr in some loads. Do the Berger bullets have a long bearing surface? I have no experience with them. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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I may have mentioned I used the Nosler data for the load. I will drop the load a little, but it really likes the RL22. | |||
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A couple photos. First 2 are the "GIZZY" that I make for every chamber that I do. I run the reamer into a barrel stub. This allows me to check a fired case and set my sizing die properly to keep from bumping the shoulder back to aggravate the head space. It is also mused to set the bullet seating depth.   The last poor photo is the very flat primer-sorry for the crap photo.  | |||
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Little too warm for my taste. My 280AI loves Imr 4831 w/ 140s .it tears up Hornady’s and does not give/allow exit wounds. I’m switching to 160s. I’ll save the 140s for my 7 x 57s. | |||
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Mine is the wrong twist for the 168s that I tried. | |||
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The Bergers are like a long rocket. | |||
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PM sent Butcht. We corresponded on another matter a while back. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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My 280 AI is a Kimber with 1:9 twist. RL22 or slower powders do not do well in it. Likes IMR 4955 or faster powder, and barrel will not stabilize VLD type bullets above 160gr. Does well with standard 160gr Nosler AB type bullets Barstooler Weapon of Choice: 30mm Gatling Gun Over 1500 posts as "Barstooler" | |||
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I shoot .277 caliber 150g Partitions at 3300 fps out of our 270 Weatherby, work great, same bullet works great at 3000 fps out of our 270 wins. I'd go Partitions, always expand, always penetrate. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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more like the space shuttle challenger  | |||
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 I like this picture I found of 140 grain 7mm bullets, unfortunately it doesn't have the Nosler Partition. I was looking for a picture that would show the small bearing surface of the 140 grain VLD when I found this one of the fired bullets. IME all VLD style bullets have less bearing surface than a more traditional bullet of the same weight. | |||
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Butch, It must be a benchrest guy sort of thing. I had a benchrest guy re-barrel a rifle for me and he sent me a GIZZY as well. good tool. I wish I had one for my 6.5-06AI. Larry "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading" -- Thomas Jefferson | |||
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Yes sir, It is from my BR experience. I am going back to the range in a bit. I dropped the load to 60grains of RL22 for the 140 Berger hunting VLDs.I did form new brass and threw the rest away. | |||
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Shot 2 groups with 60 grain of RL22 instead of 64 grains. Didn't chrono it one group was a .622 and the other .753. Not as good as the hot load, but hopefully that will be good enough for a hog. | |||
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My 280AI has an 26" 8 Twist barrel. It loves RE-22 and H4831. My goto bullet is the 160 or 168gr Sierra bullets. | |||
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Have you tried the 150 gr Scirocco's? I have some 7mm rem Mag loads I made up using this bullet and 5 different powders. Need to check. I have a 26" barrel on my 7 Mag and was damn impressed with the accuracy and velocity of some old factory ammo I've around since 2005-2006. The 140 gr Winchester Accubonds shoot at 3,197 fps with 1/2" groups (what I took on my pronghorn hunt - 300+ yards dead) and the 150 gr Rem Corelokts came in at 3,150 fps and 1" groups. "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
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