I know they makeep some boat tails for long range stuff but looking for Performing Stuff in 300 grains? Thx

Here's what I shoot out of my .338 "brush rifle". Can't give you much of a performance report, other than, they kill mtn. lions pretty well.....without much pelt damage!!! Andy3


http://www.midwayusa.com/produ...soft-point-box-of-50

Hey SK.

Try to look at Degol bullets from Belgium.

http://www.johannsen-jagd.de/d...seiten/seite168e.pdf

They offer a pointed(spitzer) 300grain hunting bullet.

Reimer Johannesen in Germany has them. You may ask if the have a boat tail. I would would say the boattail doesn´t offer that much ballisticwise versus a flatbase bullet out to 400yards.

Ofcouse Woodleigh bullets from Australia makes 300grain roundnose bullets for .338".
I have been using Woodleighs .333cal 300grain in Africa with great succes in .333Jeffery.

www.bergerbullets.com

their 250 and 300gr bullets are offered in a hunting version. They use thicker jackets on the Hybrid design bullet.

THATS THE ONE! THanks Guys!

Limiting factor is twist, so you restrict yourself to lead core designs which are not my first choice, as I like solid shank lead core designs.

I think Woodleigh makes a 300gr and a solid too. North Fork makes a 275gr and a solid and is my first choice of course. I think there is a 285 gr Swift A Frame.

The internet would make me certain but thats from memory.

Bear in mind that the Berger hunting VLD has the thinner jacket. As correctly pointed out some of the other designs utilise a thicker jacket. The thinner jacket is required for the performance as Berger describes it and it is true. This also requires the extremely sharp VLD ogive. A few inches of penetration amd the bullet lets loose. I shot a lot if game with the. 30 210gr. The largest animal on which I had exits was a black wildebeest. I shot plenty of blue wildebeest and gemsbuck bulls and seldom cracked the offside ribs. Rifle was a 300 Win Mag. Range mostly 180m to 280m. Sometimes closer or further. On a broadside shot or quartering on without too much peneration required; deadly as anything. But don't expect too much on the penetration front.

It's not a strong bullet or a penetrator and Berger makes that clear. Under certain circumstances they are superb killers but I realised eventually very limiting.

Once more Kid, et al,

Berger offers ONE basic 300gr .338 bullet design.
The Elite Hunter has a G1 BC of .818 same shape and BC as the OTM* version. The Elite Hunter hunting version differs from the Match Hybrid OTM Tactical bullet in that it has a thicker jacket for increased penetration before mushrooming.

Elite Hunter is #33556
Match Hybrid OTM Tactical is #33100
Read the website description.

G7 BC is .414. It is a very flat shooting hunting round.

No offense to the experts here, but if Berger says it is the OTM design with a thicker jacket for hunting, I will stand with them.

Rich


* OTM stands for Open Tip Match. The US Military stands on using a hollow point bullet by calling it an OTM Match/Tactical bullet.
And we can legally employ it against any country that did not sign the Hague Accords or the Geneva Convention. That is the entire Middle East.

Friend of mine has used the 300gr Woody RN out of his 338 WM to take buff and scrub cattle here in OZ.

And they shoot tiny little groups too

I like the Woodleigh 300 Weldcore! Should be a great Bore Blaster,not that the 250 wouldn't do!!!

I have Woodleigh's in 300 grain roundnose and solids on my shelf.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Once more Kid, et al,

Berger offers ONE basic 300gr .338 bullet design.
The Elite Hunter has a G1 BC of .818 same shape and BC as the OTM* version. The Elite Hunter hunting version differs from the Match Hybrid OTM Tactical bullet in that it has a thicker jacket for increased penetration before mushrooming.

Elite Hunter is #33556
Match Hybrid OTM Tactical is #33100
Read the website description.

G7 BC is .414. It is a very flat shooting hunting round.

No offense to the experts here, but if Berger says it is the OTM design with a thicker jacket for hunting, I will stand with them.

Rich


* OTM stands for Open Tip Match. The US Military stands on using a hollow point bullet by calling it an OTM Match/Tactical bullet.
And we can legally employ it against any country that did not sign the Hague Accords or the Geneva Convention. That is the entire Middle East.

I respectfully disagree and don't see where the tactical bullet (OTM) is recommended for hunting and the OTM jacket is thicker; not the other way around. That is why I believe the OTM is poorly suited to hunting. This seems counterintuitive, but it is not how Bergers work. Other hunting bullets do work that way, but not Bergers. Berger's hunting bullets don't mushroom. I've shot probably upwards of 40 large animals with the hunting VLD and many smaller animals.It penetrates and then works like a large varmint bullet, shedding a lot of weight in most circumstances. Correctly applied it is very effective, but responsible application of this design is somewhat restrictive.

This is from Bergers website:

"The Hunting bullet line is proving to be the most lethal big game hunting bullets available. All of our Hunting bullets are made in the VLD or Hybrid designs. These designs incorporate a sharp nose and slightly thinner jacket that allows the bullet to penetrate 2” to 3” before it starts to expand. After the bullet starts to expand it will shed 40% to 85% of its weight as shrapnel into the surrounding tissue (internal organ). The combination between the shrapnel and the hydrostatic shock produces a massive wound cavity within the vital area (internal organs) that will be 13” to 15” long. This massive wound cavity results in the animal dropping fast since most go into shock after such a tremendous blow."

As I said - the bullets lets go and sheds weight and basically operates like a really big varmint bullet - but with correct application after penetrating into the vitals.

I think the word "mushroom" and a Berger hunting bullet don't really belong in the same sentence. That's not what they are trying to achieve.

Tactical Bullets from Bergers website:

"Additionally, these bullets are made with thicker jackets allowing them to perform reliably under the most abusive conditions found in tactical competition, tactical situations and in combat. The ogive design for these bullets are optimized for their specific application and rifle, which means some have a Hybrid nose while others have a pure tangent ogive. The Hybrid design incorporates two shapes that work together to produce the best trajectory performance while at the same time they do not have to be tuned to a specific seating depth like the VLD bullets. Tactical bullets will be successful at either magazine feedable lengths or loaded long for single shot firing situations which can allow for more powder capacity and higher velocities. These bullets truly give the Tactical user the best possible results for whatever situation in which they find themselves."


You will notice that the OTM is not listed under a hunting bullet design on Bergers website from what I see, but is a tactical bullet as per their website. I have never hunted with them, so I cannot comment on their performance. You will also see that according to the website the tactical bullet has a thicker jacket. I've not seen a comment there as per product code, so I am open to correction, but from the general comments regarding the applications this is the case.

If you shoot a design with a thicker jacket and find the bullet punching a pencil size hole through an animal with little effect, don't be surprised. Use the hunting bullets for hunting, the tactical bullets for tactical applications.

Look at Berger's website under the hunting and tactical headings and be guided from there if you like the concept of how their bullets work.

The VLD Hunting is very consistent in how it performs (other Berger hunting designs I expect to be the same) which is more important than perfect performance, but knowing exactly what to expect and what you can and can't do with the bullet as a result. There are many other designs that seem to perform differently from one shot to the next.

These days I prefer different bullets for hunting, but I said I did use the VLD extensively at one time.

Interesting

I like CEB bullets in general--hane not tried these yet.


https://cuttingedgebullets.com...action&category=1338

MTH_338_300_MAX
.338 - 300gr- MTH - Match/Tactical/Hunting (single feed) - 50ct

https://cuttingedgebullets.com...tion&key=MTH_338_275

You will need to consider two primary factors in evaluating much of the advice above.

1. What distance do you plan to hunt? If hunting at 0-400 yards then you need a good stability factor for the twist of your barrel and bullet length. This is normally achieved with shorter bullets, which also means less weight per caliber. For the 338, optimum bullets for 400 yards are in the 200-225 grain range. However, care should be taken if using a lead core high BC bullet up close. Those bullets are designed for impacts out at 400-1000 yards and they may not penetrate the most reliably at 100 yards. All of these decisions are compromises, so learn the parameters in make good decisions for various conditions.

2. What is your barrel twist?
Most 338's use a 10" twist. If using high BC bullets (> .600) you will want to find something around 1.5 stability factor for hunting in the 400-600 yard range. That allows for some stability in close, if the bullet is up to the demands.

Kid,

How about the 300 ACB? Controlled expansion and a 720 BC. 50 -500 yards and you're good!

Mark

ACB? WE BLAST ALL THE PIGS UNDER 80YDS...JUST WANT MAXIMUM DESTRUCTION SINCE I DON'T HAVE MY 4 BORE OR 600S ANY MORE!

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Originally posted by SAFARIKID:
ACB? WE BLAST ALL THE PIGS UNDER 80YDS...JUST WANT MAXIMUM DESTRUCTION SINCE I DON'T HAVE MY 4 BORE OR 600S ANY MORE!

I suggest the 300grain Woodleigh.It`s a very soft bullet. I have used the 300grain on warthogs with devastating effect..

Look no more...

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Originally posted by SAFARIKID:
I know they makeep some boat tails for long range stuff but looking for Performing Stuff in 300 grains? Thx

I think that the question needs more definition.

If 300 grains in a .338" bullet are not for a long sleek high-BC bullet, then what are they for?

I've used the old Barnes original 300 grain bullets on warthogs with impressive effect. But warthogs are not the biggest game in Africa, they're quite small.

Are the 300 grains intended for better penetration? A case might be made for this, not because 300-grain Barnes and the 300-grain Woodleigh descendent have the structural integrity to guarantee penetration, but more likely because the extra weight guarantees a slower muzzle velocity and slower impact velocity and the slow impact velocity (under 2400fps) is what inhibits over-expansion and allows excellent penetration. Those same bullets should not be used at 2800-3000fps if dependable penetration on dangerous game were required.

Anyway, we have a wonderful 300-page thread (Terminals, in the Big Bore forum) that documents a remarkable amount of penetration testing. (.338" testing was mainly in the first 100 pages, IIRC.) If penetration is the goal, then lighter bullets can be considered, tested and evaluated. And the lighter bullets may be more accurate or more flexible for hunting at 150-300 yards, and further.

Agreed!

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Originally posted by SAFARIKID:
ACB? WE BLAST ALL THE PIGS UNDER 80YDS...JUST WANT MAXIMUM DESTRUCTION SINCE I DON'T HAVE MY 4 BORE OR 600S ANY MORE!

I suggest the 300grain Woodleigh.It`s a very soft bullet. I have used the 300grain on warthogs with devastating effect..

Look no more...

That and the Barnes...But HONESTLY the 250gr. Premiums will drop a Boar,Bear n Buffalo!

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Originally posted by SAFARIKID:

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Originally posted by jens poulsen:

quote:

Originally posted by SAFARIKID:
ACB? WE BLAST ALL THE PIGS UNDER 80YDS...JUST WANT MAXIMUM DESTRUCTION SINCE I DON'T HAVE MY 4 BORE OR 600S ANY MORE!

I suggest the 300grain Woodleigh.It`s a very soft bullet. I have used the 300grain on warthogs with devastating effect..

Look no more...

That and the Barnes...But HONESTLY the 250gr. Premiums will drop a Boar,Bear n Buffalo!

I have used Barnes TSX 250 GR on a huge giraffe,one shot kill.

Another to consider is the 275 grain Swift A-frame.

Very good choice ..but for the step up
,which is just a mental tHong for hogs,I'd rather go 300
,JUST BECAUSE...

I use the 250 gr. Woodleigh RN bullets for dark timber elk, and I really like them. They shoot flatter than one would think as a matter of fact..

However the flatest shooting bullet out there that Ive tested is the wonderful 250 gr. Sierra boat tail and the 250 gr. Accubond, both shoot as flat way out yonder as the 200 or 210 gr. bullets, and they arrive with a lot more punch I suppose..The 250 Accubond may not work in a std. 338 Win.

I have noticed in the .338 Win. that the various 300 gr. bullets are at the edge of the .338 win.s velocity capacity and they don't hold up very well..I would recommend one of the hot 338 calibers for the 300 spts for long range shooting..

I have to back up on my above posts..I just checked my book showing that I shot a monster bull elk, now hanging in my house, scoored 389, came out of the Selway of Idaho..a wild elk...I shot him with the then new 300 gr. Woodleigh RN at about 2350 to 2400 FPS...hit him as he spun away in the flank, the bullet came out behind his ear, and he turned and facing me, then turn away took a step and fell..Was dead when I got to him. shot was about 100 yards..I also shot a cape buffalo with that same box of bullets and it worked like a charm on a typical shoulder shot, the bull ran about 50 yards and stopped spraddle legged and we jumped him, he took off in high gear, and I rolled him up in a ball with my backup double 450-400..damaged on both animals was impressive with the 300 gr. Woodleighs..I haven't used the bullet since, simply because I have been hunting elk in more open country, its a long way across that alfalfa patch I hunt every year for my yearly cow elk, it keeps my heart doc happy that Im not eating beef..

These apperantly kick but, lots of research over on terminal ballistic studies.

http://www.rmbullets.com/