I hunt in a lot of humid, dry, cold climates, I buy Deet by the case for all the good folks in Africa, and I use wood and blue guns only, IT WORKS FOR ME....Has for 60 years, but I don't mind taking a little care of a gun...I think folks that use SS and plastic tend to be a little lazy

The day I use a gun that looks like my wifes toaster and blender will be a cold day in hell....

But, your right, to each his own, and I also could care less what someone else uses...

"Too many jams", huh?

Personally, I think you're as full of crap as a Christmas turkey.............

AD

Brad, do you realize why California's Corcoran State Prison has Charlie Manson and we have Hot Core?

Chick, you're a funny bugger. LOL.

Chuck

Chuck, you know the answer then. It is simple, the California Penal System got to choose first.

Hotcore ,,, where do you get all that crap??



I bet your toilet jams up all the time too..... .

Such nice talk from all you folks. Your Mommas would be so proud of you at attempting to hurt old Hot Core's feelings. I'm just so sad.

Surely you "Holy Grail Experts" have some actual "facts" to sway me(or anyone else) into believing that continually Rusting Blue and Termite Food makes more day-to-day consistently accurate, durable and rugged rifles than good old Stainless and Synthetic Push Feeds? Even "one fact" would be a start.

As an observation, it always interesting to note that when a person of low morals and a total lack of character enters a discussion where they realize "the facts" are stacked against them, the only thing they have to offer is vulgarity and name calling rather than opposing facts to sway the discussion back in their favor.

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Hotcore ,,, where do you get all that crap??

I bet your toilet jams up all the time too..... .

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Hey GSP7, From the GunSmith Board. You can either talk my word for it, or just look back over the past year or two and compare "Controlled Feed Jams" and "Push Feed Jams". It is there for ANYONE with any objectivity to see for themselves. I didn't start any of those threads, just folks who are having Controlled Feed problems.

Huuumm, Come to think of it, I believe bradley might have started one of them.

EDIT: No, on second thought bradley's thread would be a bad example. Anyone that has followed bradley's posts realizes the poor fellow doesn't really know how to operate a Bolt Action. This is not a slam on bradley as I used to do, I just pity him now. So let me encourage all of you not to pick on him, he just can't handle it.

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GSP7, As for the second part, it has been known to. But not concerning firearms.

Which brings up a question for you. Have you got any "facts" about why continually Rusting Blue & Termite Food rifles would make better "Hunting Rifles" than a good old S&S Push Feed?


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Hey AD, Obviously you've mistaken me for someone who cares about what you think. Seen too much of your "bragging" over the years for you to have any influence on my thinking. Basically, I can see through all of it. I realize that makes it tough on a Bragger, but that is just the way life is.

However, here is an "opportunity" for you to show your vast knowledge. Got any "facts" about why continually Rusting Blue & Termite Food rifles would make better "Hunting Rifles" than a good old S&S Push Feed?

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And we have a Termite Food SALESMAN trying to convince folks that "pretty Termite Food" is better than the consistent day-to-day accuracy, durability and ruggedness of Synthetic. Fine by me, since I won't be belkerized or chickerized.

So chick, Got any "facts" about why continually Rusting Blue & Termite Food rifles would make better "Hunting Rifles" than a good old S&S Push Feed?

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No need to even bother asking bradly or chuck.

Here's on "fact": More Wimbledon matches have been won by wood-stocked Model 70s than any other rifle. And yet another: More Professional Hunters prefer CRFs than any other action.



Those were beautiful, well made and expensive rifles that some of us just can't afford, but we stll acknowledge their form fit and function. jorge





There you go 99. Just this one time. We'll see what happens

It appears to me that what you THINK you know about controlled-feed actions has been gleaned from internet posts that come from people who have had sour experiences with controlled-feed actions due to inept gunsmithing proceedures. For example, one of these rum-dumbs will come up with a 1909 Argentine action, complete with a 7.65 Argentine box that was correctly engineered and fabricated to produce the correct stack angle for the 7.65 Argentine cartridge.



Then he blindly sends it to a gunsmith who doesn't quite have all of his crap in the right basket for alteration and customizing. This whiz-bang gunsmith will then alter the extractor, bolt-face, and feed rails in order to make, let's say, a 7mm Remington Magnum on that action, but he'll do NOTHING to alter or replace the magazine box and follower to create the correct stack angle for the 7mm Rem. Mag. cartridge. He doesn't understand the concept, doesn't understand the math, lacks the training, lacks the tooling, lacks alternative resource, etc., but that doesn't matter, he'll proceed anyway! So now he's taken an action that was correctly built to begin with, but then has (in effect) improperly reverse-engineered it so that it is now disfunctional with the new chambering.



And the unwitting client takes the rifle home, pisses and moans about all the feeding problems he's having; creates a post on forums like this one decrying his results; guys like you who don't know any better will read it, then foolishly conclude that controlled-feed actions are prone to jamming, etc. And so the blind allow themselves to be led by the blind, which is the height of ignorance.



The Mauser 98 action was the most successful and reliable military and sporting-type bolt of all time (millions of copies produced), and like the 1903 Springfield and pre-64 Model 70, it was designed to feed and function with the utmost certainty and reliability under all possible conditions. That was it's stock in trade, and that's why, to this day, African professional hunter prefer the Mauser 98 and Model 70 actions to all others of the bolt-action type. You may pick up a copy of Craig Boddington's book, "American Hunting Rifles" and see that the Model 70 is the number one action choice amoung North American hunting guides (Alaska and Canada to Mexico), and you may also look up Wayne Van Zwoll's annual surveys of American elk hunters, and with this group the Model 70 is also the number one rifle and action. Amoung the gunmakers of the American Custom Gunmaker's guild, plus other top riflemakers (they build much more than "beanfield rifles") such as Dave Miller, Curt Crum, Gene Simillion, and D'Arcy Echols, the Mauser 98 and Model 70 are also the actions of choice. You wanted facts, well, I just handed you a few. If you want more facts about the design qualities of these actions, pick up a copy of Stuart Otteson's (Otteson is a professional engineer) superb book, "The bolt Action", and read it cover to cover. Also pick up a copy of Terry Wieland's book, "The Magic of Big Game", and especially read the chapter entitled, "The Class of '98". I won't outline the content here, but do get that book and read it. You just might see the fog lifting, and discover that what you've been denouncing is in reality the soundest bolt-action rifle mechanism that's ever been developed, and you've been sniping at it out of ignorance and nothing else.



You can take whatever I've said about anything as bragging if you want to, but all I can say is, if it's the truth, it ain't braggin'.........



AD

I would like to thank JohnAir and Forrest B for their contributions to this forum. Rifles like they have and show really warm my heart.

To others I ask you to think about why a few choose to interject themselves into this particular thread and what to do about it. Rather than argue this out I suggest you use a different, more subtle, response the next time.

Other problems and arguments have diminished at AR and perhaps men of good will can find a way to improve things even more.

Hot Core...



Put a Cork in it.






Maybe a plastic cork for you ! !

Jorge:



If you think they work well at tennis, you ought to see 'em shoot.



Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'm, unfortunately, a perennial smart a$$.