Burkhard,

First you wrote this: "For mountain hunting I asked my smith for a rifle. We finaly found that the 6,5x68S would be the right choise."

Then you wrote this: "BTW my gunsmith is absolutely against the 6,5x68."

Savage

I must explain. The first discussion with my smith was about 6,5mm caliber with high velocity. We found that there is not much to find. The 257 caliber (I was interessted at the 257 wby) only have 6,35 mm diameter and so are illegal. The highest velocity we found in the 6,5x68. So I look at this caliber.
Now we are starting the project and my gunsmith has a lot of arguments against the 6,5x68 like recoil, reloading, and he means that all high velocity calibers would have accuracy problems up to 100 meters. So we returned to the point we started.
I'll meet him tomorrow, maybe he has news for me.

Burkhard

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Now we are starting the project and my gunsmith has a lot of arguments against the 6,5x68 like recoil, reloading, and he means that all high velocity calibers would have accuracy problems up to 100 meters

With all due respects friend this truly reminds me of a medical condition that is normally terminal. Doctors call it optalrectalesis and in some states the ailment is known as cerebralanalinversion.

There is absolutely nothing excessive with recoil in the 6.5 X 68S and there's no reason to be concerned about accurcy.

I'd be looking for a different smith.

seems kind of funny to me,
that there is little or no mention of the popular 6.5X.284 win in this thread !
As for the .264 win mag, its a very good round, I would like to play with one. Some one says a 120 grain .264 at 3300 is better than a .270, I think barnes has a 120 grain .270 and I bet with equal barrel lenghts it will come close enough to the .264 that no deer or similar animal will know the difference.
I would build a 6.5X.284 win, on a good action with a 24 inch barrel and go hunting...tj3006

If you go to a 120 gr .270 bullet instead of the usual 130 you give up ballistic efficientcy . And likely you still won't match the muzzle speed of a .264 .

The .264 is gonna shoot flatter than a .270 pure and simple , and some of the .270 fans need to get over it .

Burkhard , if the .264 interests you , I can't see brass availability as being a problem . Cases are easily made from 7mm Reington mag brass with one pass thru the sizing die . I would think 7mm mag cases are available anywhere you can burn gunpowder ?

Burkhard
For an European I think the best mountain rifle in 6,5 would be a Blaser K 95 in 6,5x65 R RWS.
I have a Stutzen in 308 and really like it.

I would also prefer the 7x64. Light recoil, very accurate and a good killer. I have one in a Steyer professional rifle and it is a tack driver. I have a 3 to 9 Zeiss scope on it and I feel it is one of my best rifles.

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
Burkhard
For an European I think the best mountain rifle in 6,5 would be a Blaser K 95 in 6,5x65 R RWS.
I have a Stutzen in 308 and really like it.

Theoreticaly I agree but ammunition is (I am told) a nightmare to obtain and one needs to examine 6.5x57R performance in a K95 (or 6.5x57 in Bukhards current rifle)before rejecting it.

From my K95 (with extra 2" barrel special order)

100gr - 3,300fps 54gr compressed VVN160, warm
120gr - 3,000fps 52.5gr VVN560
140gr - 2,875fps 50gr MRP (long COL)

A 6.5x57R provides ample velocity for any sane mountain hunting and is pleasent to shoot as well!

Even this velocity is not required. My long range roe rifle is a 6.5x55 shooting a 100gr BT at 2,950fps first shot - I shoot roe out to 300yards with it because it provides the best balance, accuracy, field accuracy and inspires utter confidence...

NE 450 No2

You are absolutely right. The final decission is a singel shot break action in 6,5x65R.
A Blaser, a Krieghoff or a Merkel we will see.

Burkhard

You can get some high quality firearms in 6.5mm. Steyr and Sig Blaser come to mind. I have a Steyr with a Kahles Z series scope and ballistic cam. I can do a lot with that rifle, Reloader 19, and Hornady A Max bullets. The narrow forearm on those rifles makes them great for standing shots. I put a fair amount of money into groundhog rifles, but usually just use the Steyr. With a sound bullet, 6.5 is the way to go on things that don't bite back.

Burkhard
My little K 95 has really suprised me. It is the 20" bbl Stutzen model, with a "full" length stock. Acutally the fore stock is in two pieces. The front piece STAYS attached to the barrel when you break the rifle down.
Accuracy has been outstanding. Seven different loads have been tried 6 factory one handload. No 3 shot group has meen over 1 inch at 100 yards. Most of the shooting has been done prone off of my hunting pack.