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Finally got an elk tag this year. Just a cow tag, but that's ok with me. I'm gonna use my 270 win. I have 2 brands of bullets loaded and am going to use one of the two, just can't figure out which one. It probably doesn't matter, but just wanted to be sure. They both are accurate, so that's not a determining factor. The 2 bullets are Nosler partition 150 grain and the other is the Barnes triple shock 140 grain. I've heard the barnes don't always open, so I didn't want to make a mistake like that. Is one of these better than the other? | ||
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If your rifle likes them both you can't go wrong with either one. I like the partition better myself but the X will do a good job too. | |||
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Interesting. The more usual complaint I have seen is that the NPs open too much!! In fact, ol' John Nosler designed them to open very quickly, peel fully back to the partition, mushrooming, shattering, or even losing entirely the front core and then have the partition and base portion punch on through. They have done exactly that for me on all kinds of critters...deer, elk, moose, etc., over the years. I have a whole drawer full of them taken mostly from under "far-side hide" that look just like the pictures one used to see in the Nosler ads....beautifully mushroomed and about 3/5ths as long as they started. I think they are a superb bullet for the use you have described. Barnes TSXs may work just as well, but I doubt they kill any deader. Nothing I have ever shot with a Nosler Partition has EVER gotten away. It is my go-to bullet for deer family members, regardless of size. | |||
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I've used both style bullets on elk, though not in a .270. My personal preference is for the Nosler Partition. It just seems to work better for me in my hunting situations. That said, almost all of my elk have been shot at under 150 yards, and most well under 100 yards. One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got into my pajamas I'll never know. - Groucho Marx | |||
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I am a big Nosler Partition fan. I have also had excellent results from the Barnes X bullets I have used. For the 270, if the country was fairly open I would use the Nosler Partition. If I was in HEAVY cover, and shots might be at 50 yards or less, on the south side of a North bound elk, then the X bullet gets the nod. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Thanks for the info. Nosler Partition it is. Wish me luck. | |||
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I'm a slow convert, I hunt w/ NPs in all my rifles except the 404j. You can't go wrong w/ the 150grNP for elk. LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT! | |||
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Given a choice I always go with Nosler partitions..They have worked for me for 50 years and if it ain't broke I don't fix it. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Shoot which ever one your rifle likes better! Just to point out though for you 270 guys, Midway is closing out the 270 Federal TBBC (to make room for the new tipped TBBC) at like 12.50 a box!! If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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I'm suprised that someone hasn't suggested that you need at least a 416 Taylor to do the job! Personally I'd go for the Nosler. As a point of interest, my father-in-law born and raised in SE Alaska always used a 270 with 150gr Corelokts to shoot whatever he was hunting. I don't think that he ever used a handloaded round in his life and quit hunting long before the selection of premium bullets being commercially loaded now was available. Our little deer aren't hard to kill but he killed a lot of moose with that bullet and one very large brown bear. One shot on the bear, 10.2 sq. Put the bullet where it is supposed to go is still the best answer. Have fun on the hunt. | |||
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416 Taylor??? What are you, some sort of stunt shooter? 458 Lott and no less. Sheesh...some people   If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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I'd go with the 140 grain TSX. The Barnes web site shows a load of 54 grains of H4350 will push a 140 grain TSX to 3030 fps with 95% load density. It will shoot flatter and penetrate better than the heavier Nosler. Noslers are great but the TSX is better. Dave Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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I too suggest the Nosler in fact I used a 150 grain Partition in my 7X57 for my last cow elk. Don't know the extent of expansion because I never saw it again after pulling the trigger but, it worked in fine fashion as the elk only went about 30 yards.  Best of luck to you!! | |||
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Originally posted by Dave Bush:
My .270 Win. did not shoot the TSX accurately with H4831, H4831SC or IMR 4350. Was going to change to a Nosler bullet but tried IMR 4831: (.277 TSX 140) 55.0 gr 3.257 COL 0.412" @ 100 | |||
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I'd go with either one, particularly if you can get the TSX dialed in per Barnes' instructions. People used the say the Partition was not accurate, but my son's M700 ADL will shoot the 150gr with H4831 into 3/8" at 100 yards. Regardless of the bullet, shot placement is still key. Mike | |||
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the tried and true 150gr partition will take any elk, any where. as previously mentioned, it's all about shot placement. | |||
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Yeh, like my friend "Tim the bear hunter" always says, "Always use too much gun!!! It may not kill them any deader, but it kills them dead enough, soon enough." | |||
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Would not hesitate to take a full shoulder bone shot at an elk or moose if required with a .270 Win and the TSX bullet. Have no chronograph but would estimate the TSX 140 is travelling 3050 @ muzzle. Equates to 2891.21 ft-lb of energy. Fortunate to have an accurate load at the pressure extreme for the caliber. | |||
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I was fortunate to draw a cow elk tag also. My hunt goes from Dec. 20 to Jan. 31. If I use the 270 I will use Barnes 130 grain TSX. If I happen to have the 338 then the 210 grain TSX will get the go. I also think it will depend on range, conditions, etc. But I think either will do fine. | |||
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I'll bet a Core-Lokt or a Power Point will work! | |||
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I have no doubt a corelokt with work. I used them for a century or two before premium bullets hit the market and I still use them for deer in my 338, .270, 7x57 from time to time and in my 30-30 also..they work..  I bet the new bonded core corelokt is a dandy bullet for anything that walks, talks, flys, breaths, or crawls... A cow elk is about as easy to kill as a buck deer IMO..Lot of differnce in cows and big ole bulls... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q218/aerofanbig/bullets002.jpg Thats a corlokt out of a cow elk, about 275 yards from a 7RM on the right. The other bullets a 180gr Fail Safe at point blank range from a 300 winnie into a cows head (finishing shot) If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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I will be shooting Sierra Game Kings at cow elk this year hope they kill elk.... ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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About a week ago I saw my friends daughter pop a cow elk with a 243 shooting Hornady 100 grain Spire Points. The range was around 100 yards. The shot was aimed at the neck but it hit the front part of the shoulder angeling forward into the neck. The bullet passed over the neck bone missing by 1/2 inch or less. That elk went down as if it had been hit with a sledge hammer. Bang, Flop. Regards, Keith | |||
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You cant kill elk with a .243 the bullet will bounce off!! But maybe if you were shooting one of the designer bullets say like the premium,ultra,inter,accu,moly,X,tungstun,ect. They must cost at least $1 or $2 or even $3 each to be efective. Elk will not put up with being shot with a generic bullet!! ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Nosler is what I used in africa 200gr 30 caliber Killed 4 animals using Noslers Pertitions. | |||
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Ted, The only thing that bounced was the elk. I do not have any idea as to why the animal went down so fast as nothing vital was hit. I however do think that you should have more rifle than the 243. Regards, Keith | |||
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Keith 1 The .243 has killed the biggest animals on earth and in a book I read a couple years ago Chuck Adams Alaskan Grizzley Hunt with a bow his guides back up gun was a .243. ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Well I got my elk. I used the nosler partition 150 grain with RL 22 56 grains of powder. I recovered the bullet as well, but I'm not sure how to post a picture of it. | |||
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Email me your pictures...I will post them for you. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Posting for CKemp   Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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This year my friend, who shoots a 270 that I reload for, and I accounted for 4 elk, two bulls and two cows with 150 gr. NP's. The two bulls were one shot kills one DRT and one went 150 yds, the two cows took two hits each through the lungs, they were a bit excited and didn't react to the hits, one went 100yds the other stood there and then just fell over. Rule one with elk, shoot till they drop or no longer offer a shot. No shoulders were broken, just lung shots, all in & outs. Personally I'll use my 9.3x62 (with 286gr NP's) in the future just because I like the option of a Texas heart shot in heavy timber. Also, the exit holes on lung shots are massive. Seems to "let the air out of them". | |||
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Congrats to CKEMP on the cow elk! My wife killed a large cow this year with a .270 shooting 140 gr trophy bonded bear claws..one shot into the neck ahead of the shoulder and down she went. I shot a smaller cow with my 338-06 with 210 gr barnes ttsx. I hit her behind the left shoulder and she staggered and drop about 15 yrds up the hill. The bullet was a pass through but I did find pieces of the blue plastic tip near the entrance wound. Anybody else finding any plastic parts from the TTSX yet? Cheers | |||
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My .270 WSM load for a 140 grain Barnes TSX that I used this year on a 170 lb Mule Deer performed perfectly. Speed was 3260 fps and distance was 285 yards Lazered. .277 entrance hole, silver dollar sized exit hole, in his tracks kill. The Nosler will do as well, so either are fine. I wouldn't hesitate to use both on Cow Elk. Good shooting. phurley | |||
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I'm leaving in just a litle more than a couple weeks and I have changed my mind on my tried and true Sierra Game Kings and will use Nosler Accubonds just for heck of it. ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Here in cold England I'm warmed by all this as today I lost out on a 240 Holland and Holland with original 'scope at Sotheby's! On the 'phone set up to bid, my dear mother picking up the cost as a Christmas gift, and the auctioneer announces, "It appears to have a slight crack through the hand". Very disappointed! It went for £2,200 to a commission bid with no bids in the room. I was able to go to £3,000 but for a "perfect" rifle. Not with a cracked wrist. Oh well! But I did manage to pick up a Parker Hale M81 Classic in 270 with a Zeiss Diatal-Z on Apel mounts for £250. So your reports on the effectiveness and efficiency of the old 270 Winchester have cheered me. Thanks! Anyway. As to bullet choice I'd test both for grouping and then test both again for recovery - of you - after the first shot. I've played about with 150 grain Hornady Interlock in my BRNO ZKK 600 in 270 Winchester and gone back to using the 140 grain Hornady Interlock as the shot recovery was better. Loads: 150 grain - 55.0 H4831 = Five shot spread 2801-2831 fps. 140 grain - 55.5 H4831 = Five shot spread 2840-2873fps. Having said that I would have more confidence in the Nosler Partition as something tried and true than the Barnes. | |||
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