Mike,

Good question, having never worried myself about .358 ammo 'cause I don't shoot one but can imagine either factory fodder or the few cracks who are attracted to this cartridge roll their own and have sources for componets.

The 358 is a most underappreciated calibre. Just an example. I went with my father in law on a control hunt on a large S. Texas ranch. The instructions were to kill as many anterless deer as we wanted. We put my 74 year old father in law in a stand with his 358 savage 99 light weight about 2 p.m. At dark we picked him and the seven does he had taken with 7 shots up. Nothing fancy just chest shots. Every deer died in it's tracks or with in 5 yrds. During the same week end I watched him smack two big hogs. Same thing. Boom--fall down. The 358 is a great cartrige that is deadly efficient with out detacting retina's or fillings. IMHO.

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/358_wcf.htm

read that link!

what bullet were those 7 deer shot with?

Major Caliber

You are right, the .358 win doesnt come close to the Whelen, it surpasses it, at least in Nosler's #4 reloading manual. 358win 225gr partition max load 2,528fps .35 Whelen 225gr partition 2,525fps, ouch and from such a small case, talk about efficiency. Obviously with heavier bullets the Whelen shines, but for smaller big game the 358 cant be beat! I can fire two, well aimed shots out of my BLR within the time it would take a bolt gun to fire one, just a thought....

ELS, what bullet did your F-n-law drop those 7 deer in TX?

Thanks.

Fgulla, I have a .358 Win., .350 Rem. Mag., .35 Whelen and .358 Norma mag. I like all of them and have repeatedly championed the virtues of 35s for hunting rifles. But they are what they are, and to suggest that the little Winny can run with the Whelen is not unlike saying that the Whelen can duplicate the Norma’s performance. Just not going to happen…

You may find the following link of interest: CP.

http://www.noslerammunition.com/35WHELEN225PT.html

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Originally posted by fgulla:
Major Caliber

You are right, the .358 win doesnt come close to the Whelen, it surpasses it, at least in Nosler's #4 reloading manual. 358win 225gr partition max load 2,528fps .35 Whelen 225gr partition 2,525fps, ouch and from such a small case, talk about efficiency. Obviously with heavier bullets the Whelen shines, but for smaller big game the 358 cant be beat! I can fire two, well aimed shots out of my BLR within the time it would take a bolt gun to fire one, just a thought....

I have to disagree. That is total horseshit. The problem is, the .358 is loaded to it's full potential while ammo and data for the .35 Whelen has to be held back because of all the old rifles like 1895 Winchesters and 1903 Springfields that have either been rebored or rebarreled to the Whelen. It isn't too difficult to reach 2550 FPS with 250 gr. bullets in the Whelen and one of my rifles will push the 250 gr. Speer hot-core to 2600 FPS without a burp.
This is not to knock the .358 Win. though. Right now, I have five rifles chambered to the .358 and three to the Whelen, so you can see I have no prejudice against the .358.
My biggest gripe is Ruger in their great wisdom used the 1 in 16" twist rate in their barrels for both the .358 and .35 Whelen. Remington did the same with the Whelen. Why they did this is beyond me. Even my custom Whelen on an Oberndorf Mauser has a 1 in 14" twist. I bought that rifle at an estater sale so had no control on what the barrel twist was. I have another Whelen in the planning stage and it will have the proper 1 in 12" twist.
Paul B.

I hope my NEW mfg. 350 Ruger is not a 16 twist.

I read it was 12.

Does anyone KNOW for sure?

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Originally posted by fgulla:
Major Caliber

You are right, the .358 win doesnt come close to the Whelen, it surpasses it, at least in Nosler's #4 reloading manual. 358win 225gr partition max load 2,528fps .35 Whelen 225gr partition 2,525fps, ouch and from such a small case, talk about efficiency. Obviously with heavier bullets the Whelen shines, but for smaller big game the 358 cant be beat! I can fire two, well aimed shots out of my BLR within the time it would take a bolt gun to fire one, just a thought....

The Whelen never needs more than 1 shot!

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Originally posted by 6.5BR:
I hope my NEW mfg. 350 Ruger is not a 16 twist.

I read it was 12.

Does anyone KNOW for sure?

When Remington brought the .350 Mag. out, they used a 1 in 16" twist, so technically, gthat is the SAAMI standard for that round. When Ruger decided to chamber the M77 to .358 Win. and .35 Whelen, they used the 1 in 16" twist. I'll bet they stuck with the 1 in 16 for you new rifle as well.
My personal opinion is that sucks, but probably due to magazine restrictions, trying to use a bullet heavier than 250 gr. will take up too much powder space anyway.
I do remember eading somewhee that Remington will not load ammo with 250 gr. bullets as they didn't shoot well in their new 673 chambered to the .350 mag.
Paul b.

Hop MHO, I use a .358Win for Schwarz- and Rotwid. It was a Rem.600 in .308Win, I rebarrelled it with a Shilen .358Win and a 50cm barrel. Itis perfect for "Drückjagd" with the 225grs NoslerPT. A little more usefull is now my new Rem. 673 in .350RM, ideal with 225grs NP or Swift A-Frame for wildboares and red stags.

Just got a BLR 81 Steel recv. for Christmas
Peep sight no scope. Think I will leave it
as most BLR,s stock design seems better suited
to irons sights. IMHO Any good pet loads with
Speer 220 grain and 250 grain bullets?

Paul B..it was the 225 Swift A-Frame bullet that Remington loaded and didn't shoot well in the new M673.

I was wondering about the accuracy difference between the 1-16/1-14/1-12 twist barrels for those that have them. The 1-16 Remington M700 Classic had no problem with putting 225 Nosler, Sierra and 220 grain bullets into .75 MOA at both 100 and 200 yards. I have not yet shot anything heavier and was wondering is there that big a difference.

Thanks...Bob

RJM. I have 80 Remington 250 gr. bullets that were made for the .350 Rem. mag. and about 700 left of the 150 gr. bullets for the .350 mag. I got the latter as a favor for someone on another site that was crying like a baby that he couldn't find any. I told him that I knew a fellow that had a large supply and he asked me to get them for him. I got them and then he crawfished out of the deal. A friend bought 100 of them to shoot in a .357 Herret. I made up a copy of that Paco Kelly article so I may try and work up to his load for that bullet. I'm a bit skeptical due to the BC of the bullet, but we'll see. I ought to section one and see what the jacket looks like.
I did work up to Kelly's load with the 250 gr. bullet in my .35 Whelens using H-335 and it's a damn good load for accuracy, although I'm not getting quite the velocity he did. But IIRC, his barrel has a 1 in 10" twist which would generate higher pressure. It's too bad his article on the Whelen isn't available anymore as it shows what that round will do when properly loaded. He does believe in loading hot.
Paul B.

To KK on the 358 BLR load request.....

try this:

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/358_wcf.htm

I believe that will take care of it.....