I remember long ago, a write up on the 270 Redding (308 case) in Guns magazine and I believe it was Charles Petty? May be wrong, if memory serves it was a guy who wrote the 38special section of the old Nosler manual I believe having been a big pistol shooter.

None the less, We have the 270 Win, 270 WSM, now the 338 Federal and I think the 270/308 which could be aka 270 Federal if SAAMI is applied, then that could be the next cartridge they could do.

The ballistics up through 130's nearly equalled the Winchester 'long' version.

I believe it would be more 'user friendly' than a WSM for game up to deer w/o lots of recoil.

Of course its not needed, I shoot a 7/08 a good bit, but I bet the 270 name would help it sell.

Now If/When Federal makes it, I want my royalties like Rick Jamison got his on the WSM's



Disregarding my desire on evening hunts in brush country, I think most other deer hunters could do very well with either 260/6.5x55, 7/08-7x57, and 270 on a 308 case-fitting in the popular short actions.

Now I do have an interest in playing around with the 250 savage, but the 338 Federal is next on my things to try list. By then I will have had time to test my 350 pretty well at the range.

Typo, I meant to say, "disregarding my desire to use medium bores, on evening hunts....."

It would probably sell well, too many .270 Koolaid drinker out there. It would do nothing that a .260 couldn't do. I like the idea of the .338Federal, but another .270, why?

Fred338, right you are, there is NO need for it but 270's always sold well of any kind in the country vs 6.5mm's.

I agree and the 260 IS as versatile and good of a deer killer, YET the average joe blow out there is familiar with 270 bore more so than a 6.5, SO I DO believe it could be a commercial success to enough degree to bring it to market.

The WSM's were hyping long range power which frankly is more than the average hunter can utilize, as the 270 win or a 270/308 for that matter can range plenty far for most hunters shots.

I was just making an observation that I believe it might be a possibility in today's clutter of new factory cartridges, one that would be useful, although not doing anything better, just playing off the 270 name and hunters having something different.

Unless I shoot a 338/06 or larger, I personally have no interest in a long action cartridge. I think the 308 case does well in small bores with average weights used on deer and that is the bulk of the intended use in this countries use of said gun/ammo sold in the lower 48.

I think at the ranges many hunt at, the 338 Federal has good performance out to 300 yds, but if Federal had just offered a variety of good 338-06 loads, and they MIGHT have done so IF the arms mfg would have pushed production in this round, then there would be no 338 Federal.

Federal will make whatever needs to 'feed' rifles sold/used. Weatherby and TC encore barrel users were not enough, we needed Remington/Browning/Sako/Winchester/Tikka/ even Savage to mfg the 338-06 and market the benefits and it would have been one heck of an all around game rifle for deer, black bear, elk, etc.

I would own, but likely not buy a 270-308, but it is an efficient round.

On the other hand, I definitely want a 338 Federal and doubt I will want for more if not on an elk hunt or western deer hunt where I might need the range of a '06 or WM version.

It's hard too improve on the standard .270 win

There is only one reasonable explanation for the 270 Federal -the government's new 6.8m/m. I'm still scratching my head over the 270WSM.
On the other hand, I'm agin any new, small 338. The 338 is a brute, and any attempt to tame it is futile in my opinion.

I don't know about the rest of you boys, but I see a 270/308 as a heck of a lot more practical an idea than I see the short mags craze....

If we look at the 270 vs 280 argument, both are pretty much the same in a different set of pajamas...

The same would hold true for a short action 270 and 7/08.....however handloading has taught me that in under 30 cal, a short action cartridge doesn't give up much to a long action cartridge... and in some instances, none at all..like a 150 grain bullet in a 308 vs 30/06...

In under 30 caliber also, in a long action, a 57 mm case ( 7 x 57, 257 Roberts, 6mm Rem) sacrifice nothing to the longer 06 ( 63mm) length cases...
when bullets are seated to magazine length in the 57 mm case.....

I myself, hunt with a 260 Rem most of the time.. it is my " to go to cartridge"....

But a 25/08, and a 270/08... I have a lot more places in my gunrack for those, than I do the short mags...

But then again, we have had the 257 Roberts and the 250 Savage around for a long time.. about time they get popular again, don'tcha think???

even this 6.8 Remington... what does it do, that couldn't be done with a plain old 25 Remington with pointed 100 grain bullets? Too old and untrendy is my guess....

At least Federal is being more practical than Winchester was being.....

Yooost da vay I sees it....Ya chur, ya'betcha!

cheers
seafire

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But a 25/08, and a 270/08... I have a lot more places in my gunrack for those, than I do the short mags...

well said friend....

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But a 25/08, and a 270/08... I have a lot more places in my gunrack for those, than I do the short mags...

Seafire & Vapodog--

You are Correct Sirs!!!

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150 grain bullet in a 308 vs 30/06

The 06 will outperform it by 200 fps in a handload.

the 25-08 sounds interesting, the 7-08 and 27-08 are 2 close. I can get buy with my 3 .257 Roberts that I have though.

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It's hard too improve on the standard .270 win

Very well put.

However, I'd buy one of these just because my Dad has a 270 Win and I have to be different.

I still don't have any use for the 338 Federal.

Tex21, all the hunting in TX I have done could be done with 22-24 bores, open country and you can usually watch them fall if the run.

I plan to use the 338 Federal soon and look forward to hearing field reports on it.

A 270/08 would appeal to the NON reloaders much more than the reloaders, I believe many 260 shooters roll their own as 7/08 factory ammo is loaded closer to its potential from what I have seen, some 260 ammo is not.

As a reloader myself I like the 6.5 more as there are so many bullets to choose.

I would personally like to see a 'resurrection' of the 250 so I could have a decent factory rifle to try.

As some say above, I also have no interest in WSM's though I have heard of great accuracy and performance with them. If I am going to tolerate the recoil of a magnum, its going to be a 338 or so for me to get a quantum leap in bullet mass.

A 325 WSM never turned my crank, but a 338 might have, but the Win Mag can handle heavier bullets better due to OAL issues so it might not come up to par with all weights.

The 338 Federal will be used where hunters don't expect to shoot or take a shot beyond 300 yards but up to that range I believe it will do great.

Jack O'Connor pretty much proved the 270 is a great round as is, does about what a 6.5/06 or 264 WM will do, and has a reputation in this country like the 6.5x55 does in Sweden.

If the 270's were loaded more often with 150 -160's, the results of it vs the 6.5x55 with heavy bullets might be similar on really large game. I imagine a 270 win with 150-160 partitions or a WSM with 140 bonded bullets should go end to end on moose or elk if needed.

I believe Jack's wife Eleanor used the 7x57 with 160's around 2700-2800 for elk etc, but an 06 for elephant as I recall Jack saying, 'My God Eleanor, you brained him'

Anyway as far as those who are skeptical of the 338 Federal, I recall Clay Harvey writing his longest shot on an elk, and perhaps his largest elk was shot with a 180 gr 308 at 450 yards. That may have been stretching it but it worked.

I like to think a 338 on the same case can do about the same but with a larger heavier bullet.

I can't see anyone offering a 270-08. Too similar to 7-08 in performance and appearance. Idiots would be squeezing .284 bullets into a .277 bore. I also don't think changing the shoulder like a .280 rem would be done, but you never know. Who knows, gunsmiths might end up with a new headspace guage anyway.

In the 1940s there was a .270 on the .300 Savage case designed for the Model 99, I think it was called the .270 Titus after the barrelmaker who designed it. Came very close to the regular .270 and got some favorable mention but in the end of course nothing came of it.

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In the 1940s there was a .270 on the .300 Savage case designed for the Model 99, I think it was called the .270 Titus after the barrelmaker who designed it. Came very close to the regular .270 and got some favorable mention but in the end of course nothing came of it.

People were more practical in those days, and did not have to "reinvent the wheel" to sell firearms every year....

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Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
I don't know about the rest of you boys, but I see a 270/308 as a heck of a lot more practical an idea than I see the short mags craze....

cheers
seafire

I have to admit, Seafire, if a .270/08 or .270 Redding had been available as a factory round, when I bought my .270WSM, I would have gone for the 270/08. But the only short action .270 available is (and probably always will be) the .270WSM. And seeing as you are somewhat of a connoisseur of reduced loads, you will be pleased to hear that I am having pretty good early results loading my short mag down to duplicate the .270 Redding ballistics. 60.0 gr of Accurate Data 86 powder pushes a 130 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip about 2,880 fps with mild recoil. Still it is nice to have the capability of driving the 140 gr Accubond or 150 gr Partition 3100 fps if I decide to pursue an elk someday. But for deer, I think a 130 gr Ballistic Tip at just under 2900 fps should prove to be a very effective round. Now if I can just find a cooperative 3 point or better buck next season to test my theory...

Well, the 270 WSM seems to be outpacing the 7 WSM. The 277, 308, and 338 bores lead relatively charmed lives in the States, generally speaking. I expect a 270 Federal might be a go.

As for the accidental chambering issue, not too worried about that. The 270 and 7mm WSM have the same case, so too with the 243 and 25 WSSM.

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As for the accidental chambering issue, not too worried about that. The 270 and 7mm WSM have the same case, so too with the 243 and 25 WSSM.

The 270WSM and 7WSM actually don't have the same case. The 7 WSM was delayed in production because it was decided to move the shoulder far enough forward to preven any possibility of accidental chamberings. Don't know about the 243 and 25 WSSM.

I think that people who say we just don't need another chambering are really missing the point. Frankly we haven't "needed" another chambering since the 30-06 came out. But what a boring thing it would be if we all had only the 30-06! The 270-308 or 270 Redding or whatever else you want to call it would be a good round, not necessarily any better than others but hey some people like 270's so why not? It's not hurting thing to have another fine choice...........DJ

I think it would be a little like the 30-06 AI, what's point?

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The 270WSM and 7WSM actually don't have the same case.

True, my bad.

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Frankly we haven't "needed" another chambering since the 30-06 came out.

Or even earlier with the 8x57 I suppose...

If Federal based a .270 on the .308 case they would not be doing anything new.

Magnum Arms in Nelspruit, South Africa have a cartridge called the .270 SABI which is exactly that. Intended for medium game at short-medium ranges.

They came up with it years ago already and produce cases/ammo commercially. I don't think it has been a great success (I stand corrected on this one) as I have yet to se one in circulaton, as opposed to their .338 SABI (a 'better' version of the .338-06) which is a fantastic cartridge.

I don't really see the point of a .270/.308 commercial cartridge when the .260 and 7mm-08 exist. Actually, i see the point (its fun) but don't see it selling well?

Well, it was a thought, nice to hear all the feedback, yes the old '06 might have done everything needed but I never killed a head of game with one, nor enjoyed the times I shot some at the range, in my mind they kicked more than what I needed.

No doubt they are effective.

The 7x57 loaded with similar BC and SD bullets might have equalled the 'o6 track record.

I also read long ago in Africa there is a 6x45.

They have used some interesting wildcats no doubt.

No flies on any 338 that I ever heard, my '06 version killed like a death ray on 2 large deer but a little one double lunged ran, it seemed to waste all the energy out the other side.

The one that ran did have a nearly very large silver dollar looking exit that sprayed blood constantly as it ran past me, that was nice to see such a blood trail but I was stunned the little guy went that far. Seems like smaller deer drop faster with lighter fast expanding bullets, anyway the other 2 dropped right away.

I would think that a 270-308 would be an attractive option for youth, women, and even men hunters (who shoot factory loads) who like the reputation of the 270 win but want something handy in a short action carbine and it would kick between the 7/08 (nice round) and the 260. In my estimation it would be viewed as an ideal deer round and used mostly for that purpose. It likely would not give up much speed with 130's, although a 140 would be my preferred all around weight. 150's might be too deep in case but doubt they would be loaded anyway, not in factory ammo.

I kinda like the idea of a 25/08 seeing as how 257 Roberts rifles aren't really common these days. 27/08 would definitely sell.

As for the 6.8SPC Remington has now lowered the pressure limits it set due to pressure spikes from rounds that were stored at above 150 degrees for any length of time. Muzzle velocity will go from about 2,800 down to about 2,600 fps.

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Originally posted by 9.3x62:

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The 270WSM and 7WSM actually don't have the same case.

True, my bad.

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Frankly we haven't "needed" another chambering since the 30-06 came out.

Or even earlier with the 8x57 I suppose...

I agree!