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Gents, I need help deciding on a 130 gr. 270 round. I've used Nos BT's for years and they have been my huckleberry, but all I have available now is the SST and Accubond. I am caught out of town and away from my reloading equipment. I shoot a cooper. How can I expect these two to perform on mule deer? I want DRT - I will be in thick country. I'm not concerned with damage to the shoulder meat. | ||
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on 130# white tail i found them to be too distructive. had a ot of meat damage. dave | |||
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I think either of those will work just fine. I load a Nosler BT in my 270WSM and they have performed great on deer. The Accubond will probably do less damage and exit compared to the SST. | |||
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The accubond is a controlled expansion bullet that I used to kill 4 deer and 1 elk last year and I recovered 2 bullets. They do just as they advertise 60% retention. They are now my favorite "cheap" priemium bullet.  ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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I personally do not like BT's. To much damage and not enough penetration at times. Thats been my expirence. I have gotten them to shoot very well though. Accubonds shoot just as well almost. In my 270 WSM i get them to about 1/2 group with R-19 powder. Accubonds will not cause the amount of damage BT do and you get a little more penetration. I would not hesitate to use Accubonds on a Mule Deer. | |||
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Straight from the mouth of Nosler the Accubond and BT are identical in shape, length, ogive etc and should print to the exact point of impact as each other, read interchangeable. Once again this is from the Nosler Tech guys. The Accubond should hold together better than the BT but I must admit I wasn't impressed with the Accubond in my 30/06 on elk. I killed elk but the performance was less than I expected I'm sure for Deer they would be great. Good luck on your hunt. | |||
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I'd venture to say that you'll have no problem with accubonds. I've loaded them in 257, 6.5, 7mm, 30, 338 and taken deer and hogs with all. If you do your part, you should have no problem with accubond performance on mule deer. GWB | |||
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Accubonds have worked great for me in 25, 6.8, 270, 30-06 on deer. Performed as advertised. And as mentione previously, the cheaper BT's shoot to same hole -- very close. Found them to be within an inch on most cals. One rifle I have is true point to point w. the Accubond and BT (same grain weight, charge, brass, primer, etc...). | |||
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Forgot to mention: For what its worth, I really have had great success on deer with 140gr Sierra ProHunters. WIth WIn brass, Wolf LR primer, and 55.4gr IMR4831 I get .4-.7 5 shot groups in my Rem 700CDL. Action trued and good bedding job. | |||
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I would go with the accubonds.Good Luck | |||
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Arthur, I have a LOT of experience with the 270--the 130 gr and the 270 go together like peas and carrots!! The SST is highly frangible, much like the Ballistic Tip--The accubond is a much tougher bullet in my experience than the SST for sure. I would go the Accubonds in a heartbeat. I would venture a guess that they may become one of your favorite bullets. I have found them to be just as accurate as the BT's as well. Good luck and good hunting! | |||
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Ted thorn, Were they 130 or 140 grain accubonds? And what ranges were they shot if you don't mind. Thanks | |||
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Either bullet will work on the deer you spoke of. Put any of those bullets in the right place, and you will have a very dead deer. Shot placement trumps any other discussion. | |||
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Many thanks men for the replies. This is more interesting than I originally thought. I knew some guys worried about meat damage, but not to this extent. Your experiences are different than mine. Why would a guy care about penetration and weight retention on deer? (this is a serious question, not poking fun at anyone) Thanks guys for helping me split hairs. Now I understand that the AB is a tougher bullet and may not cause the type of damage I am custom too. | |||
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Rick 04 welcome to AR.....you have a PM from me. . ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Bone is bone and when a thin jacketed bullet hits it it comes appart. ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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of the 2 you asked about, accubond would be my choice. | |||
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thanks ted. I found both for some range time. curious to what the results will be on accuracy. | |||
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Let us know! | |||
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I have found that shooting one brand of bullet followed by another brand without thoroughly cleaning the gilding metal out of the barrel is an exercise in futility. | |||
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I would use the Accubond bullets if you can get them. | |||
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Both shot well. the accbonds did so well, I went for groups @300 yards. I decided I will use the abonds. | |||
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Thats all I shoot is the accubond bullets. They do the job. | |||
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Just FYI, bullet choice does not deliver DRT...bullet placement does...and the only bullet placement that does is a CNS shot. It is a fools errand to think lung, heart or shoulder shots are going to put any animal down...DRT. We have all seen countless deer run 50 yards or more with a blown up heart, destroyed lungs, or a broken shoulder. So unless you plan on taking your chances on always hitting the brain or the spine, do not count on any bullet to deliver DRT. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Mike I respectfully disagree with you on that note. I do agree that a CNS is the only way to guarantee a DRT, but I have seen dozens of big game animals drop at impact with lung shots. To say it doesn't happen is not true. I've actually seen it more often than not on smaller big game. Have a Good One, Reloader | |||
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SDhunter, has it right!! Mike it took sometime to write that diatribe, but I agree with you. An example, since we are talking 270's, why is it the Winchester dosen't do as well as the WSM even if the 130 grain bullets are moving the same EXACT velocity. I like Ballistic Tips, period. Iv'e shoot deer, elk,antelope, and other assorted critters with BT'S, and have not had a complaint about their performance. Shot an elk with one a 225 grain, in 35 Whelen, @ 2750fps, recovered bullet weighed 206 grains. If you find that important!! The only big critter (deer elk)I have ever shot, that dropped right there, was an elk, with yes a 270 Winchester, and get this a 130 Grain Winchester soft point bulk bullet, 80yds. Hit um in the heart, and it bounced off his spine. He went down and never moved, all the others go the 10-50 yds, and then drop. Most all of my hits are in the boiler room. I am not used to chasing game around the country, or having lots of meat damage. Jerry NRA Benefactor Life Member | |||
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I realize this is not the bullet you have chosen to debate. What is wrong with a plain old 130 gr nosler partition. I have used the following load for years and is a DRT deer load (if you hit your target in the right spot) Win brass Fed 215 130 partition 62 gr RL 22 Oehler 35 Chrono 3200 FPS; 4 different 270 bolts that I own. I have used the same load with Interbonds and Accubonds. All shoot well. EZ | |||
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I've shot Nosler Partitions for over 30 yrs and consider myself a Nosler proponent. My experience w/ 22, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 30 & 33 cal Partitions has been great. I've now loaded ABs in a 7 x 57 and have had a great experience w/ it. I will NOT shoot BTs at anything other than varmints. They are just too frangible for my taste on big game. | |||
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I'll be happy to discuss some or all of the above: I'm a Nosler sorta Guy, too. I rely on Nosler BT's, Partitions & Accubonds for much of my reloading; in .243", 277", .284" .308", 366" & .375". All good bullets and each has it's own quirk IMO. The "quirkiest" (does this word exist?) are the Accubonds. They're not as accurate (IMO) as Partitions and not even remotely close to as accurate as BT's even though the similarities (according to Nosler) exist. In every load combination where Accubonds were used to replace BT's accuracy wasn't even close (O.K.; I'm picky). The bullet that still delivers time-after-time is the Partition; accuracy, velocity & terminal performance - period. After dumping this tid-bit on the Great Good & Unwashed; the last four Red Deer Hinds I shot all did a chest-flop, nose dive. With (if I can read the packaging code correctly) 1982 manufactured Hornady 165 gr. SPBT's - go figure. Had to shoot 'em up since they've been sititng on the loading bench waiting to go into service for years. Anyway, I really appreciate the long-term results from Nosler Partitions.  I many cases the BT's were (because I've stopped using them for that application); as others here have stated are too destructive (frangible). Oh yeah; answer the mail - never had much success with SST's in my reloading efforts. Cheers, Number 10 | |||
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Neither, if you are stuck buying factory. Get the Hornady GMX I bought a box of these factory loads using a borrowed Remington 7600 .270 Win. The 130 gr. bullets shot exactly MOA and are loaded extremely potent. They are not going to explode like the Nosler products you mentioned. Deer are usually shot 60 - 100 yards and not the best to be sending a 130 gr. Ballistic Tip at 3050 fps. | |||
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I took my deer this year with my .270 using a Nosler 130gr. BT at about 60 yards. The animal dropped right down, didn't move another step. And I was very pleasantly surprised to find that there was very little meat damage that others have been mentioning. Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; And let another take his office." | |||
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I have used Accubonds to kill lots of deer, a coyote and an elk. Great accruaccy, never needed a follow up shot, and never recovered a bullet. All bullets have been 100% pass through. 7MM mag, 160gr, Browning Abolt. There may be better bullets, but I have no need to look for one. ----------------------------------------------------- Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. Proverbs 26-4 National Rifle Association Life Member | |||
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