Hello, I'm just wondering what's the absolute best 5 shot group you've gotten from your factory 30-06s @100yds.? Thanks, Jay

probably around .8 with factory loads? I don't keep track or logs on factory stuff and I usually shoot 3 round groups not 5. I've had some .6s with 150grn BallisticTips and 168grn MatchKings.

I had a Remington 700 Classic in .30-06 that was an out-of-the-box wonder rifle. I had a 4X Leupold on it, and shot handloaded 180 gr. Hornady's through it almost exclusively. It LOVED those 180 gr. Hornady's, and this rifle worked best with Lake City Arsenal brass and IMR 4831 powder.



Some years ago, I fired with it (4X scope and all) a five-shot, 100 yd. group that measured about .450". I thought it was just a fluke, so I let the barrel cool completely and fired another five-shot group. It went into a little over .350" of an inch! I have never been able to dublicate that performance before or since with a factory hunting rifle.



I still have those targets, and I can fax them if you don't believe me!



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Allen, I believe you, now how about this one. Some crazyass at work is passing around a .129" 5 shot group, from a box stock Rem. BDL S/S, factory Rem. 165C/Ls, Leupold 4.5-14, Jewell set at 20oz, and Mag-na-ported, well, I guess thats not a box stock rifle any longer, but is a factory rifle nonetheless, anyone believe that group? Jay

Will a three shot group from a custom Springfield qualify? Three shots @ 100 = .352". Load was 50.0gr IMR4064 and 150 Sierra spitzer. No, it won't do that all the time, every time, but it will hold it's own.

Four shot,3/8" cloverleaf,that's with an 8x scope.IMR4350/165 BTSP Hornady/Federal case/WLR.'64 M-70pf

an old Rem. mdl. 30S,,w-w 180 gr. silvertips,,.78 inch,,dead calm,,solid bench,,breathing dicipline,etc.,etc.,,22 year old eyes,,Lyman peep-sight,,on and on................

TWENTY TWO year old eyes??? Damn boy, you ought to be able to better than that!

Typical of every range outing. El Cheapo 165 grain WW powerpoints from Walmart, Weatherby synthetic with Kahles 3.5 x 10, gives a 3/4 inch 3 shot group at 100. It shoots just about everything I have tried into 1 1/4 inch or so. I can shoot my .270 Weatherby synthetic with 130's a little better. I really like both guns. jimmyp

If you shoot enough you will be the owner of a fantastic 5 shot group someday. This reminds me of working with my fussy BAR 30-06. I just couldn't get it below 1.5" (like it really matters for wisconsin brush hunting.) I found a recipe that looked good and loaded up 5 rounds and tried them the next time at the range. I shot a 3/4" group. I ran home with a big smile on my face and promptly loaded up 30 more rounds of the same recipe. Never got it below 1.5" and many were at 2"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ARGHHHHHH

My BAR in '06 consistantly shoots the 180 gr. Hornady SST load into .9-1.1" groups seemingly without regard to weather conditions.

Five shots that could be covered by a nickel. I would guess that my wiggle was cancelled out by my wobble 'cause I'm certainly not that good of a shot.
Rem BDL 30-06, Weaver 3x9, trigger "lightened" to 3.5 lbs, one biz card of additional pressure epoxied under the forearm tip, Rem brass, CCI primers, 165gr Horn SP's, 57grs of IMR 4350. Approx 40 years ago while I was developing a hunting load. I remember it well as I still have the rifle, unchanged, and that's still my go to load for deer.

Hey All - Jay was asking us

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Jay wrote:
Hello, I'm just wondering what's the absolute best 5 shot group you've gotten from your
factory 30-06s @100yds.?
Thanks, Jay

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what our best group from factory loads not hand loads..

I don't shoot 5 shot groups, I believe in the 3 shoters. I've shot some .75s w/ my Savage 110 and 165 grn. SSTs on top of 49 grains of H4895 (Win Brass and WLR primers). Not spectacular groups but, pretty good for a cheap factory hunting rifle.

Good Luck!

Reloader

I get 0.5-0.7 with Win 180PP with a Interarms Mark X.
Adjusted the trigger but it came from the factory adjustable for weight and overtravel.

No problem Capt Jack, I'll take handloaded stuff, too. I personally haven't shot my Model 70 alot in the past 3yrs, 3 this year and 6 last year, three shot groups, don't believe in 5 shot groups from a deer hunting rifle, what's 2 more shots going to tell you anyway, just how it shoots with a hot barrel. after the 2nd shot at a deer, he's long gone, especially in the deepwoods. The shots that I did take this year was at 300yds., they went a hair over 3", I thought that wasn't too bad. My load you ask, 50.5grs. Varget, 150NBTs, Rem. nickel brass, CCI primers. When verifing that load I shot 3 shots in just over an 1/2inch, the next 3 shots went 3/4" right over the first 3 shots. I don't believe I'll ever see a .129" group from my Model 70, 3 or 5 shots for that matter, don't even believe he shot it with 5 shots, just too good of a group for an 06 with 165 Core-Lokts at 100yds. And the guy is been known for being full of all kinds of bullshit, like what, you ask. how about 2 perfect .000" size groups, and 1 .009" group, what crap! Now, anyone still believe that .129" group? Jay

I never measured it but.....I shot a hole with three shots out of a Remington M760 "gamemaster" pump. I couldn't believe it and it litterally was one hole and I had a hard time telling that all three went there. I figured that the hole was around .400 or less in diameter. I haven't done it again but have shot several sub 1" groups.

Rifle: Rem. M760
Scope: Leupold VariX-III 2.5-8X
Cal: 30-06
Bullet: 165gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip
Cases: R-P
Powder: IMR-4350 55.2gr.
Primer: WLR

Jay,..I have a M77 MKII that I put in a Boyd stock right from the box. Gunsmith has not touched this rig,...and even this ruger has gone sub .5moa with an aetec scope on it Mine must have one of the newer barrels,...oh yeah and I just can't seem to sell it for some reason

I would certainly be skeptical. Have to just look at the guy's character. Does he need this sort of thing to impress people? If so, doubt it even more. Not that it can't be done, but that there's a lot of reasons for faking it, and if it was something he had trained himself to be capable of more than once or twice, then his character might have developed to the point that he was a little quiter about it.
No telling, though.
I had a stock M70 '06, before rechambering, and though I never once put a factory round through it, after fussing with load development, I got some 165's to go about 2850 into routinely sub-MOA. Once I got 3 shots into less than 3/8", though that was damn lucky. And I ain't that good a shot.

Bwana-be, Yes, he does need this kind of thing to impress people, but not one person is fooled by his BS, like I've said before, he once tried to pass these "0"(2 of them) & .009" size groups from his 223VS, when I told him, the record was .009" from a BR rifle, and that was a called fluke by the shooter, it went in one ear, completely missed the brain and went out the other ear, he then tried to tell me, Mr. Hall(from Hall actions) and Speedy did groups like these,.000" 10 and 5 times respectively, of course, when I e-mailed Speedy, he told me my "friend" was sadly mistaken. And since I'll never be around when he shoots his rifles, (told me he'll never shoot when I'm at the range, cuz then I'll know how it's all done), these groups will remain a mystery, another word comes to mind is, a CROCK! Believe me when I tell you, if you ever met this guy and talked with him for 2 min., you'd know what I mean, he's always got to impress somebody, but everyone at the plant has his number. He's the one that has the "Best" of everything, his GMC is better than a Chevy, his Harley is better than yours, and everyone elses, most accurate rifles, qoute from him: "What do I need a BR rifle for, my factory rifles with factory ammo can do just as good" he doesn't have one rifle that shoots an inch, no more than 1/2' at best, course, he only has 3 high power rifles, he's the best Trapper in the state of Wis., you get the picture? Yeah, I'm sure he shot a .129" 5 shot group with 165 C/Ls. Where's the Roll eyes graemlin when you need it? Jay

Jay

I just got my Browining BAR Safari in 30-06 this past spring and, like some of the others that responded, I haven't fired a single "factory" load throught it.

The best "handload" group I've ever shot with it at 100 Yds was with 180Grn Nosler BT's on top of IMR 4350. Don't remember exactly what it measured CTC but here is the pic. This one is a 3 shot group.


This gun will consistently shoot 3/4"CTC (or better) groups at 100Yds with 180Grn Ballistic Tips, 180grn Sierra Game Kings, and 165Grn Nosler Partitions, all on top of IMR 4831. These are the only bullets I've worked up loads for so far. To say that I am quite pleased with the BAR's accuracy would be a huge understatement. Here are a few target pics. The first two groups (2 on one page) are 4 shot groups. The rest are 3 shot groups.

Dark Squares are 1/2", Lighter squares are 1/4"



I've decided to hunt with the Partitions this season, which starts this Sat Nov,13.....Can't wait!!!!

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