One of the greatest things I was ever tipped off to for improving my middle-distance and long range hunting accuracy is the "Knee Sling". For hunters who shoot across open land and hunt on foot, this thing really helps, but I don't know of anyone who makes or sells any of them.

That doesn't matter. They are dirt cheap or even cheaper, and easy to make for yourself.

Basically, the concept is this...get a 4' length of 1-3/4" wide canvas webbing at your local dry goods supplier. Also buy a small packet of Velcro.

Sit down on the floor, bring your knees into shooting position, and wrap the webbing 1 complete turn around the outside of both legs (1 layer). Have your wife or someone mark the webbing so you can cut it off just about 3" longer than it takes to make the one wrap. (Envision a buckled belt which can be placed so one side of the loop of the belt goes around your legs a bit below your knees, while the other side of the loop goes around your legs a bit above your knees.)

This is best measured when you are actually aiming an EMPTY rifle at something.

Cut it off, put Velcro on each end, and you have it!

You can fold it up easily and put it in your pocket or fanny pack when hunting. When you need to take a shot where no good rest is available and a sitting shot is in order, just yank it out, go into your sitting position, put it around your knees, and it will hold you very steady while you are on aim.

I've used mine for over 25 years and never had it fail me.

I can't say that by itself it makes me an accurate shot, but if it and I work together, it makes it a LOT easier for me to shoot accurately from the sitting position in the field.

(I do not use an adjustable web belt with a buckle for this. I don't want to be adjusting it in the time when I should be on aim. I just pull it out and use it. If you measure it right the first time, it will be right every time.)

Try it, it may row your boat too.

STICK TO GOLF

Shootaway, you have uniquely positioned yourself on this forum as the leading font of crap and misinformation when it comes to shooting.

May God have mercy on Butch's soul as he will be dealing with you and the rifle you have ordered. I on the other hand will show you only the mercy you have earned.

You have a unique ability to incite controversy and make enemies no matter the topic on this forum. Members here have repeatedly tried to point you in the right direction...to no avail. I would ask that you spread your manure elsewhere and let that wound under your nose heal.

Thanks in advance Shitaway!!

Matt

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Originally posted by shootaway:
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PM sent.

AC - Hell of an idea. Never tried it, but I can see how it would work.

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Originally posted by Matt Moore:
Shootaway, you have uniquely positioned yourself on this forum as the leading font of crap and misinformation when it comes to shooting.

May God have mercy on Butch's soul as he will be dealing with you and the rifle you have ordered. I on the other hand will show you only the mercy you have earned.

You have a unique ability to incite controversy and make enemies no matter the topic on this forum. Members here have repeatedly tried to point you in the right direction...to no avail. I would ask that you spread your manure elsewhere and let that wound under your nose heal.

Thanks in advance Shitaway!!

Matt

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Originally posted by shootaway:
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Shootaway
I want you to think about this: AC is an older gentleman who has been an important part of this forum for a long time. In that time he has always been a gentleman.

AC has had some serious health issues lately and he has stated that he is near the end of his life, yet he still contributes to this forum.

How could you make such a pitiful comment to such a person? I have said that you suffer from Asperger's syndrome and everything you posts furthers my belief that I am correct.

Get yourself some help.

AC,

To get this thread back on track.

I find that an interesting idea as well. I'll have to give this a try at the range. I've had a few situations where the sagebrush or grass was just too tall to use my pack or bipod for a rest. This could give me that little bit of help to get it done.

This complicates it, but adding a strap from your forward sling swivel to the web around your knees would allow some forward tension on the rifle and steady it up even more. Like loading up the bipod.

Jeremy

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Originally posted by shootaway:
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I've used what AC is suggesting and it works.

Why on earth would you feel the need to make such a rude pointless post??

AC,
Great tip. When I am deer hunting and an animal is seen or jumps, the first thing I do is try to position myself to shoot from a sitting position. I am constantly amazed at my hunting companions wailing away at deer off hand and typically missing a lot.
Position shooting is a fundamental which is practiced too seldom with most thinking they don't need it with their over-magnified scopes and magnums.

And Shootaway,
What can I say? You need help.

As it has been so often and thoroughly demonstrated here, offhand is not the best field position for shooting.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
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A troll by any other name reads, sounds, and smells the same.

AC, I've very much appreciated your posts and I find your recent posts on shooting, a great contribution to this forum. True shooting ability has much more to do than properly setting up sandbags on a concrete bench and you not only understand that but have gone to lengths to communicate it to the members of this forum.

Your life's experiences have been varied and interesting, thank you for passing along these experiences and the wisdom that goes with them. You will leave a great legacy here at Accurate Reloading. I wish I could've met you in the field or at the range.

Thank you.

Hmmmm . . . AC, that sounds really cool. I'll give it a try.

Thanks for the suggestion!

AC,
Thanks for the idea. I'm going to give it a try.
It's great to see you posting again, and thanks for your wisdom.
Here's some wisdom I'd like to add: There are a few problems that get better when ignored.

Knee slings? I am sure that I have seen this before in an American book?

A line drawing of a man with his knees "tied" together with a leather strap?

Is it Jack O'Connor's book?

AC, do you have photo to illustrate your tip? AIU

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AC, do you have photo to illustrate your tip? AIU

Sorry AIU, I do not. In fact, last week I gave my knee sling to a good friend of mine who owns a local gun shop. I am never going to be able to shoot outdoors again anyhow unless God provides me with a miracle. If he does, I'll just make another.

my friend had never heard of one before, and was a little skeptical of it until he sat down on my living room carpet and tried it.

First he aimed one of my empty rifles (a .458!) at a figure on the TV screen. Then he dropped the knee sling around his knees and aimed the same rifle at a figure on the TV again. He was astounded by how much steadier it made his aim.

BTW, if you are tall as I am, you might want to buy a 4'-4 or 4'-6"" strip of webbing, to make sure it will be long enough for you when you are in a comfortable sitting position. You will have to cut it to length as described before, but you will be sure you have enough to cut from.

It is nothing that really needs a picture, anyway. Just make a circular loop out of the webbing strap. Drop it over your knees after you sit down. That is all there is to making it and using it.
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Dnfield Spares- You may have seen one somewhere in a book...I think from a book is where I first learned of it many years ago.

Anyway, to anyone who makes one, it works better if made of of a high grade canvas webbing strap. Does not stretch like leather does. Also doesn't normally mold if it gets wet. Is lighter to carry and MUCH easier to fold up and put in your hip pocket. also stronger for the same thickness. All kinds of advantages over leather.

I've used at set-up like that for years, but mine is just an old web belt that I keep buckled to the correct length and loop around my legs when needed. It works great...never thought of calling it a "knee sling" but that works perfectly as a name. I forget where I first heard of the idea.

AC, your thread has prompted me to temporarily take Shootaway off "ignore", if only to remind myself why I put him there in the first place. Now I remember...it's because he stopped being funny long ago, and advanced right through to rude, irritating and (to a Canuck) embarrassing.

Shootaway: Thanks for the memories! Back you go.

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your thread has prompted me to temporarily take Shootaway off "ignore", if only to remind myself why I put him there in the first place. Now I remember...it's because he stopped being funny long ago, and advanced right through to rude, irritating and (to a Canuck) embarrassing.

Shootaway: Thanks for the memories! Back you go.

He would be an embarrassment to ANY country, but particularly ours. As a nation we generally do our best to be, as Americans like to say, "genteel".

I have serious doubts as to whether Shootaway is a true Canadian anyhow. Not even the most dedicated Quebec Libre Francophile/Anglophobe acts so rudely in public, and they only do so when debating politics. He reminds me more of one of those poor souls who was imprisoned in one of the scots moors "institutions of correction" for 15 or so years, then granted parole on the condition that he leave the U.K. forever.

Whatever the circumstance, he is genuinely, deeply, unhappy with his lot, whatever it may be. So he takes it out on others, rather than squaring his inner-self.

Cheers

Don't confuse Shootaway with Canadians, He's French!

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Originally posted by enfieldspares:
Knee slings? I am sure that I have seen this before in an American book?

A line drawing of a man with his knees "tied" together with a leather strap?

Is it Jack O'Connor's book?

Yep! Page 97 of "The hunters shooting guide". Just a piece of rope tied into a loop will do the trick.

Nothing wrong with offhand if your target is 25 yds away. Otherwise I also prefer a steady rest. Now Im gonna go try my hand at some golf..

G-day fellas!

Thanks AC--

Field shooting tips (and practice) are things you can't have too much of, IMO!

Cheers,

Dan

Thanks for the tip, Alberta. I've always been a fan of sling when shootng offhand, but never considered it for sitting except in competition. Always thought that would be too cumbersome in the field. I'll try your way.

As to Shootaway, I didn't see his obviously stupid comment because I have him on ignore, where he will stay. I think I'm glad about that or I might be forced to respond in a less than polite way. He really is a troll. I've tried to help him with some of what I've concluded are contrived problems, but he has some apparently deeply-ingrained "unique" ideas and will not concede to physics or ballistic facts.