One would hope that this will shut up some of the Rem bashers and "professional witnesses" but I doubt it. When there's a deep pockets victim and "free money" involved, the lawyers and other opportunist are gonna swarm around.

I'm gonna post this story (again) under FWIW: I had bought a new 700 sporter in 22-250 that I intended to use on Pdog shoots. As such, it would be used from a fixed position and fired single fire. But after I adjusted the trigger down to 32ozs, I still bounced it on the floor, put the rifle on safe, pulled the trigger, and then flipped the safety off and the other little things I could to make sure the trigger was okay.
That evening, a friend came over and I took him to the shop to see the new rifle. He made sure the action was clear and then put it on safe and brought the rifle to his shoulder and flipped the safety off. "CLICK". You can imagine how loud that sounded in the solitude of the shop. I took the rifle and tried it and nothing happened. He had another go and "CLICK".
Long story short, when he would hold the rifle, he would let his finger rest on the trigger and when he would flip the safety off, his trigger finger would make a involuntary move that would trip the trigger. Even when we had determined the cause, he could not keep from making a slight move with his trigger finger when he'd remove the safety. Enough to trip the trigger with it set on 2#.
Moral of this story: Keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot.

You know, I have a 1969 Model 700, which had the trigger adjusted to 2.5 lbs in 1969. Today, it is the same as then. That's 33 years, and still no problems. Anyone who SAYS they have a problem with a Model 700 Trigger, created the problem themselves, and that is the gospel truth. There is always some jackoff who cannot do things properly.

Jerry

I had a Rem 700 go off and I can 100% promise you my finger was NOT on the trigger. I was raising the bolt to make sure gun was safe and it went off. My late gunsmith was a very good one and confirmned they did have a fixable problem. For those reasons about the first 2 1/2 minutes of Remingtons BS answer was all I watched.

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Originally posted by carpetman1:
I had a Rem 700 go off and I can 100% promise you my finger was NOT on the trigger. I was raising the bolt to make sure gun was safe and it went off. My late gunsmith was a very good one and confirmned they did have a fixable problem. For those reasons about the first 2 1/2 minutes of Remingtons BS answer was all I watched.

Did that gun have a trigger job done on it prior too the discharge?

As even Belk said, no one is gonna admit they had their finger on the trigger.

I will be the first to agree that the majority of the problems are operator error or trigger job error. That said I have a model 700 270 sitting in the corner that is not leaving the house until I get a new trigger in it.

Used it one year. I had it laying across my lap bolt handle up muzzle pointing to my left. My right hand was on the butt stock behind the grip about half way to the butt so not even in the same zipcode as the trigger or safety. Left hand was across the barrel about at the rear sight again nowhere near the trigger.

I turned slightly in in the my chair to my right. The comb on the stock about two inches forward of the recoil pad tap the chair arm. Rifle discharged safety was still engaged nothing contacted the trigger. Scared the shit out of me. This is the only bolt action I own that has a untouched factory trigger.

I thought it was just a fluke. I had heard of some problems on older remingtons. Always thought it was bolt lock safety design problem. Never really gave much thought it was a possible trigger design problem. After seeing the Remington under fire I realized that even though it was probable hyped to be more of a problem that it is there is a possible occasional issue with the trigger. From personal experience I can assure you that not all problems were caused by operator error. Eventually my gun is getting a timney. Until then it is not leaving the house.

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Originally posted by Jerry Eden:
You know, I have a 1969 Model 700, which had the trigger adjusted to 2.5 lbs in 1969. Today, it is the same as then. That's 33 years, and still no problems. Anyone who SAYS they have a problem with a Model 700 Trigger, created the problem themselves, and that is the gospel truth. There is always some jackoff who cannot do things properly.

Jerry

I can promise you for sure that my friends 700 never had the trigger adjusted or anything else done to the gun.
It was brand new when he took it to the shooting range.
And it would fire the shot every time when you took of the safety if you had pulled the trigger with the safety on earlier.
He got a another new 700 from the gun dealer and that one worked totally perfect.

I have no hate against Remington at all and I own a Remington 7 Predator that I am very satisfied with.

I consider that my friends gun was a freak that was not properly checked before it left the Remington factory.

But I also think that the video from Remington is mostly BS.

The difference between a Remington 700, 721 (WT) and a Winchester M70 (New Haven);
When your Winchester fires after the safety is released, "you" know "you" had "your" finger on the trigger.
When your Remington (wt) fires after the safety is released (or the bolt is closed) everyone except you "knows" you had your finger on the trigger.
(especially those who weren't there)

I had a 700 with a Rifle Basix trigger that went off as I engaged the safety . How does that work ? Soon adjusted the trigger pressure up a little anyway . Had 3 AD's in my time and they certainly scare the shit out of you. Two I'll admit were human error but at least I had the rifle pointing in a safe direction.

I must be lucky. I own 20 or so 700s and have had numerous others since 1974. Have had zero safety/trigger issues.

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Originally posted by Rae59:
The difference between a Remington 700, 721 (WT) and a Winchester M70 (New Haven);
When your Winchester fires after the safety is released, "you" know "you" had "your" finger on the trigger.
When your Remington (wt) fires after the safety is released (or the bolt is closed) everyone except you "knows" you had your finger on the trigger.
(especially those who weren't there)

Exactly.

I also wonder if those who had an AD with a Remington also had the same thing happen with another brand of rifle. If a guy has the bad habit with his trigger finger, then the problerm shouldn't be unique to just Remington.

KB

While I never have had a 700 Remington AD, unless I messed with the trigger. Yes unless I MESSED with the trigger, I have had several ad's with various model 43 Winchesters, the most recent one was last year on a jackrabbit hunt, fortunately, I had the barrel pointed outside the truck window, as all have said scared the chit out of me. Now I will say this about 700 Remingtons and I have been messing with them since 1969. Some triggers were just lousy, now I didn't say unsafe, I said lousy trigger pulls or squishey bumpy pulls which I could not overcome by adjustment or any refinement, those I changed to Timmney's. Most of the time I have been greatly satisfied with any Remington 700 I have owned.

Jerry

Marshmandan--You ask if someone had messed with the trigger. That I don't know. I'm not bashing Remingtons and do have some. Even though I had it pointed in safe direction--it scared me. Easy for others to say my finger was on trigger---it wasn't.

Two years ago while hunting in Namibia my hunting partner had two AD's while releasing the safety, no harm as the rifle was pointed at the game. The rifle was a mod. 70. We found that if the trgger was pulled with the safety on it would discharge when the safety was released. On returning home he checked the other 16 Mod. 70's in his safe. Half had the same problem. Granted all the triggers had been 'tuned-up', but the problem is not just Remingtons. It can happen with any gun, even a Mauser....Tom

I venture to say that all these trigger issues reguardless of firearm brand stem from adjusting the factory trigger too light. Factory triggers are not manufactured precise enough to accomplish that. Get a custom, Timny, jewel, shilen THEN have it adjusted by a professional gunsmith who UNDERSTANDS the trigger system. Notice I said GUNSMITH not gunplumber.

To those who don't like Remingtons- Buy something else
To those who like Remingtons but don't like or trust the trigger- Do as D Humbarger says and replace it
To ALL:
ALWAYS treat every firearm as if it were loaded
NEVER allow a firearm to point at anything that you do not want to destroy
NEVER put you finger into the trigger guard until you are ready to shoot something
Seems logical doesn't it?
Peace

Tapper , I've had to fix a few 22 pistols that had the same problem. First was my own pistol .It wasn't loaded and that was a very LOUD click !!

If I had enough money to send half the US personal injury lawyers across the ocean to China, I'd send them all halfway.

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Originally posted by carpetman1:
Marshmandan--You ask if someone had messed with the trigger. That I don't know. I'm not bashing Remingtons and do have some. Even though I had it pointed in safe direction--it scared me. Easy for others to say my finger was on trigger---it wasn't.

I asked because I was curious as I've had a 700 varmint go off on me once. I bought the gun new, adjusted the trigger and shot it like that for a decade with out a bit of trouble. Then I upgraded the stock on it and put it in an HS precision stock that came off a factory 700 varmint. While hunting with it a deer stepped out about 150yrds away, I flicked the safety off, took aim out of the shooting window and squeezed the trigger. Nothing happened, Squeezed again, nothing. Pulled my head up off the stock and looked at the safety, it appeared to be in the off position. I put a very small amount of pressure on it to push it forward and BOOM, sent a round in to the trees. I know for a fact there was nothing remotely even close to the trigger because at that point I couldn't figure out what the issue was and I was looking at it.

Apparently the stock was putting pressure on the safety mechanism somehow even though the only difference in the two guns was the original was chambered in 22-250 and the other .308. The .308 was placed back in its original stock and several hundred rounds latter has had zero issues.

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problerm shouldn't be unique to just Remington.

Nah, not true.

It depends on the safety operation technique.
You can snap the Remington safety off with just a thumb while your trigger finger is conveniently on the trigger causing an AD.
Many model 70 safeties are easier to operate with a thumb and forefinger. Then there are some of the safeties that were designed for two fingers. Try to operate a K98 safety with your finger on the trigger.

I had an AD with a 700 but can't say for sure that I didn't touch the trigger. I will say that the amount of pressure I placed on the fire arm should not have been enough to cause it to fire. I had violated several saftey rules trying to get in the stand that morning. I let my gaurd down and was taught a lesson that I will never forget. That was the first and only AD that I have ever had with a rifle. I some time think people will not except or admitt they made a mistake. One AD in 40 years of handling a firearm is still to many. I thank God that I was by myself and no one was hurt. If we cannot admitt our mistakes and learn from them they will happen again. After seeing remington under fire I also questioned my mistake. I posted here and had a long corspondance with a engineer and gunsmith he said "there is a problem with the trigger". That being said I have a safe full of remingtons and trust my old 6mm enough that my wife hunts with it. From what I saw there on NBC was and my experence with the snipers in the military those triggers were probely been tinkered with. As with most stories there is truth on both sides. Look at it this way the using a 700 is a lot safer than flying, driving and for that matter walkind down your front steps.

Leaving the safety issue out, I like bolt guns where the bolt doesn't fall off.

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Originally posted by wasbeeman:
One would hope that this will shut up some of the Rem bashers and "professional witnesses" but I doubt it.

Remington's witnesses are also "professionals."

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Originally posted by Jerry Eden:
You know, I have a 1969 Model 700, which had the trigger adjusted to 2.5 lbs in 1969. Today, it is the same as then. That's 33 years, and still no problems. Anyone who SAYS they have a problem with a Model 700 Trigger, created the problem themselves, and that is the gospel truth.

well, it's hard to argue with a sample of 1. I mean, if your one rifle, hasn't malfed, then nobody else's possibly can.

History's got to start somewhere. What better than your own experiences instead of some crap you've gotten second or third handed or made up.
FWIW, I've got and had a whole lot more Remingtons than one and I've never had a malfunction. How many have you had? And too, how many Remingtons have you owned? Or is your info strictly from cyberspace hysteria and some hot info your BIL's cousin overheard in a bar?
It would certainly be great if you trolls just didn't buy Rems and let it go at that.

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Originally posted by Tapper2:
Two years ago while hunting in Namibia my hunting partner had two AD's while releasing the safety, no harm as the rifle was pointed at the game. The rifle was a mod. 70. We found that if the trgger was pulled with the safety on it would discharge when the safety was released. On returning home he checked the other 16 Mod. 70's in his safe. Half had the same problem. Granted all the triggers had been 'tuned-up', but the problem is not just Remingtons. It can happen with any gun, even a Mauser....Tom

I had the exact same thing happens to me with my Mod 70.

Lightening the trigger changed the geometry of the other trigger parts.

I scared the crap out of me! Rifle was on sand bags and pointed downrange, no one was hurt.

Had it re-adjusted and it has never happened again.....even when I TRIED to make it happen.

I witnessed and videotaped a Rem 700 A/D while videoing "HUNTING ALASKA'S COASTAL GIANTS". The gun was a custom 375, their was nothing near the trigger. The footage was never used and was deleted.

I didn't think of anything at the time(hadn't heard of Rem A/D problems) other than to change my shorts.

I'm not blaming Rem because it was a custom gun. But when something like that happens you don't forget it.

This is probably going to start a load of controversy. But I have never had a rifle accidentally discharge (Remington or others) and I do not use safety’s, I think that they are all a false sense of security. I don't chamber a round until I need one and have never had an issue with it. I have always prescribed to the theory that you don’t load a Rifle until you need to shoot it. Based on the comments on this thread and all the accidental discharges (weather they were caused by faulty equipment, a faulty design, or user error) I think that my process is safer.

I could see when stalking dangerous game you might need a round in the chamber. But for all of my hunting I do not need a safety.

Just my 2 cents.....

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Originally posted by Brad Hinn:
This is probably going to start a load of controversy. But I have never had a rifle accidentally discharge (Remington or others) and I do not use safety’s, I think that they are all a false sense of security. I don't chamber a round until I need one and have never had an issue with it. I have always prescribed to the theory that you don’t load a Rifle until you need to shoot it. Based on the comments on this thread and all the accidental discharges (weather they were caused by faulty equipment, a faulty design, or user error) I think that my process is safer.

I could see when stalking dangerous game you might need a round in the chamber. But for all of my hunting I do not need a safety.

Just my 2 cents.....

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I don't hunt with a loaded chamber either. Anything mechanical can fail.

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Originally posted by filmit:

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Originally posted by Brad Hinn:
This is probably going to start a load of controversy. But I have never had a rifle accidentally discharge (Remington or others) and I do not use safety’s, I think that they are all a false sense of security. I don't chamber a round until I need one and have never had an issue with it. I have always prescribed to the theory that you don’t load a Rifle until you need to shoot it. Based on the comments on this thread and all the accidental discharges (weather they were caused by faulty equipment, a faulty design, or user error) I think that my process is safer.

I could see when stalking dangerous game you might need a round in the chamber. But for all of my hunting I do not need a safety.

Just my 2 cents.....

+1
I don't hunt with a loaded chamber either. Anything mechanical can fail.

I concur. However, that doesn't help much if the rifle goes off by itself when you close the bolt.

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Originally posted by Jerry Eden:
You know, I have a 1969 Model 700, which had the trigger adjusted to 2.5 lbs in 1969. Today, it is the same as then.

That's 33 years, and still no problems.

I wish that was only 33 years!

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Originally posted by Grenadier:

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Originally posted by filmit:

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Originally posted by Brad Hinn:
This is probably going to start a load of controversy. But I have never had a rifle accidentally discharge (Remington or others) and I do not use safety’s, I think that they are all a false sense of security. I don't chamber a round until I need one and have never had an issue with it. I have always prescribed to the theory that you don’t load a Rifle until you need to shoot it. Based on the comments on this thread and all the accidental discharges (weather they were caused by faulty equipment, a faulty design, or user error) I think that my process is safer.

I could see when stalking dangerous game you might need a round in the chamber. But for all of my hunting I do not need a safety.

Just my 2 cents.....

+1
I don't hunt with a loaded chamber either. Anything mechanical can fail.

I concur. However, that doesn't help much if the rifle goes off by itself when you close the bolt.

~

It does if you don't hunt with a piece of shit Remington

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And it would fire the shot every time when you took of the safety if you had pulled the trigger with the safety on earlier.

That is because on a factory Remington trigger most people mess with the Sear engagement stop screw

AD