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My scouting has me shooting 200 to 400 yards this deer season. I'l be shooting the Tikka T3 lite in 7mm-08 I am almost sure the bbl is 20" twist 9.5 I am new to the reloading so this first purchase I want for this coming up season. I am kind of leaning towards the 154 or 160 gr for the downrange punch. What do you guys think will the 140 gr deliver at 400 yards?


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FrownerWith the normal Magazine length and throat depth plan on the 140gr. bullet. If you can really do your part at that distance the rifle and bullet are capable.


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Practice at 400 yds. is probably going to be more important than bullet weight. The 140 gr. bullets will probably be your best bet, as Bartshe says. Last year I saw a 7mm-08 one shot a Zebra at 367 yds. using 140 gr. Federal power-shok ammo. The shot was a 14 yr. old's first big game animal, what a rush.....Tom


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When you start talking about shooting game at 400 yards it is important to look at the velocity remaining at 400 and the bullet construction.

You will be down to @2000fps at 400 yards with a 140gr bullet, so pick a bullet that will expand at that velocity.


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Shooting at 400 yards with a 7mm-08, in a 20 inch barrel, Mmmm, whilst it could be done, aren't there better cartridges barrel length combinations for shooting at this distance?
 
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Shooting at 400 yards with a 7mm-08, in a 20 inch barrel, Mmmm, whilst it could be done, aren't there better cartridges barrel length combinations for shooting at this distance?


Either that or get closer. Even with a 250 yard zero, there will be an 18" drop at 400 yards.


 
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The 140 without question in the 7mm-08.
 
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My scouting has me shooting 200 to 400 yards this deer season. I'l be shooting the Tikka T3 lite in 7mm-08 I am almost sure the bbl is 20" twist 9.5 I am new to the reloading so this first purchase I want for this coming up season. I am kind of leaning towards the 154 or 160 gr for the downrange punch. What do you guys think will the 140 gr deliver at 400 yards?


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Shooting at 400 yards with a 7mm-08, in a 20 inch barrel, Mmmm, whilst it could be done, aren't there better cartridges barrel length combinations for shooting at this distance?

All things considered, 400 yards absolute max
rough terrain lots of hiking in to get there, I need a light rifle. Doubt there is much better in ultralite rifles. Rifle weight is big issue for me. I need to spend a lot of time shooting up and down mountains at incline for practice.


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In my very limited experience with the 7/08, I believe your 9.5" twist barrel won't properly stabilize the 160 grainers and might struggle with the 154 grain bullets to shoot at very long range. I think the 139/140 grian bullets are optimum for this cartridge. I made up some hand loads for a Rem model 7 in this caliber that I traded for as a gift for my daughter using 139 grian Hornady bullets and that little rifle put 4 shots touching at 100 yds. Then my S-I-L tried some 154 grain Hornadys and the accuracy just didn't seem to be there. This is not a very protracted trial and I could be wrong but I don't think so. On the other hand if using a 7Mag with the 160s, it might push them fast enough to stabilize them with the 9.5" twist, but that is just a guess.


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I have used the 7-08 for years and it is one of my favorite rounds. The 140 is the peanut butter and jelly of th 7-08.


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I think luckyduck is right, I'm not sure you are going to get enough vel. out of that short bbl. to do well w/ 160gr. You might try a bullet like the 150grNBT, but a good 140gr will do fine on deer size animals to 400. I prefer the 280 & 160gr but if you can hit & the bullet will expand, youy a re in good shape.


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Did you measure your barrel? My Tikka Lite
7-08 has a 22&7/16 inch barrel.

For long distance I like the 120 gr. Nosler BT. I used it for some doe culling and it exits just fine. And on javelina too.

However, my long distance is about 250 yds. Merg
 
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Mr Freeman.
In the 7mm08 I think your probably better off with the 140.
But I recomend you take some shots at 400 yards on paper first.
That is a long long shot. Been hunting and shootinf for a long time, And I try to limit my shots to 300.
I might shoot farther but I probably should'nt...tj3006


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Did you measure your barrel? My Tikka Lite
7-08 has a 22&7/16 inch barrel.

For long distance I like the 120 gr. Nosler BT. I used it for some doe culling and it exits just fine. And on javelina too.

However, my long distance is about 250 yds. Merg
thanks for the reply *yes* I just checked and it is 22 7/16"


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Mr Freeman.
In the 7mm08 I think your probably better off with the 140.
But I recomend you take some shots at 400 yards on paper first.
That is a long long shot. Been hunting and shootinf for a long time, And I try to limit my shots to 300.
I might shoot farther but I probably should'nt...tj3006
I agree looking to get out and practice at that range, I figure if those guys at longrangehunting can do it I can.


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practice and mil dot scope reticle and 400 yds will become a chip shot..

after shooting little pop can sized sage rats during varmint season, at 400 yds a deer looks the size of a dump truck in the scope reticle..
 
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I know that we can ALL easily do it under ideal conditions at 400 yards.

The problem I see it is not taking the shot at 400 yards but KNOWING if it actually is 400 yards or more like 350 yards or 450 yards. Especially in hilly terrain where shooting across a valley or body of water can alter perception of the distance!

I'd invest in an accurate range finding system and then practice and know your sight settings for 350, 400 AND 450 yards!
 
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Michael

I shot 2 bucks and 2 hogs at 400 yards with my 7x57 using 140gr TSX's. 2 bullets recovered with text book expansion and all 4 animals were DRT. My muzzle velocity is 2820fps.

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I know that we can ALL easily do it under ideal conditions at 400 yards.

The problem I see it is not taking the shot at 400 yards but KNOWING if it actually is 400 yards or more like 350 yards or 450 yards. Especially in hilly terrain where shooting across a valley or body of water can alter perception of the distance!

I'd invest in an accurate range finding system and then practice and know your sight settings for 350, 400 AND 450 yards!

IMO, wind is always the issue past 300yds. A rangefinder certainly helps but if you can;t judge wind, you are taking a poor shot much past 300yds.


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I know that we can ALL easily do it under ideal conditions at 400 yards.

The problem I see it is not taking the shot at 400 yards but KNOWING if it actually is 400 yards or more like 350 yards or 450 yards. Especially in hilly terrain where shooting across a valley or body of water can alter perception of the distance!

I'd invest in an accurate range finding system and then practice and know your sight settings for 350, 400 AND 450 yards!


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I bought one of the new FN Model 70's in 7-08, the featherweight version. The first load I made up for it was 140 Grain Nosler Partitions, with 45.0 grains of H-414, and Federal 210 Primers. After zeroing the scope/rifle combo, the next three shot went into a 1/2" group at 100 yards. My load testing was over!!!




 
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