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Hi,
I have never owned any of the newer CZ rifles, but have used many of the older BRNO guns and was delighted by their good accuracy and "user friendly" function. I am looking for a .243 CZ, but the website cz-usa doesn't list any rifles in this caliber, does this mean they are not imported to the US or that no CZs of this caliber are made?
Lastly, I used a BRNO 7x57 this year in the Czech Republic, it had a stock just like a weatherby V, do any of you know if these are made anymore?
 
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Check out the official CZ site http://www.czub.cz/ there you will find some models available in 243 win. Strange they are not available at CZ-USA.

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I find the lack of the 243 Win odd as well. It is the only caliber not offered by CZ in the US. All others, including European calibers 6.5X55, 7X57, 7.62X39, and 9.3X62 are sold here, along with the 270 Win, 30-06, 223 Rem, 7mm RM, 300 WM, and the big bores.
 
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CZ does manufacture the 550 in .243, but it is in the detachable magazine models rather than the fixed magazine ones. Just go to the CZ USA home page, click on products and go to hte CZ 550. Scroll down until you hit the ones with detachable magazines and you'll see the .243s. Tom Purdom
 
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They have two boxes. Just scroll down. I found this out looking to see if they had a 22/250.

They apparently have a long action and short action 550.
 
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CZ makes good, accurate rifles. When known as Brno their rifles were terrific. I'd love to get one in 7x57. I already have a 6.5x55. In North America we are often prone to overlook metric calibers. I feel that's a big mistake. These things are powerful enough to take about anything we can put up against it. I would use the 8x57 on anything this side of Africa. All we're doing is re-inventing the wheel. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal
 
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CZ makes good, accurate rifles. When known as Brno their rifles were terrific. I'd love to get one in 7x57. I already have a 6.5x55. In North America we are often prone to overlook metric calibers. I feel that's a big mistake. These things are powerful enough to take about anything we can put up against it. I would use the 8x57 on anything this side of Africa. All we're doing is re-inventing the wheel. Best wishes.
Cal - Montreal

In North America we overlook metric calibers because they are a pain in the ass to find, plus we have the 25-06 Remington, 260 Remington, 270 Winchester, 308 Winchester, and 30-06 Springfield.

They make the Mauser-based calibers unecessary.
 
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In North America we overlook metric calibers because they are a pain in the ass to find, plus we have the 25-06 Remington, 260 Remington, 270 Winchester, 308 Winchester, and 30-06 Springfield.

They make the Mauser-based calibers unecessary.

Uhhh, check the lineage of those cartridges you listed as making the "Mauser based cartridges unnecessary. They are all based of the Mauser case. Yes it's true. Sean
 
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In North America we overlook metric calibers because they are a pain in the ass to find, plus we have the 25-06 Remington, 260 Remington, 270 Winchester, 308 Winchester, and 30-06 Springfield.

They make the Mauser-based calibers unecessary.

Uhhh, check the lineage of those cartridges you listed as making the "Mauser based cartridges unnecessary. They are all based of the Mauser case. Yes it's true. Sean
The head size is similar. All other case dimensions are not. The fact that thay are all rimless, bottleneck, centerfire cartridges means they obviously share some commonalities.

I was referring to the cartrdiges originally concieved for Mauser rifles, i.e. the 6.5X55, 7X57, and 8X57.
 
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I was referring to the cartridges originally concieved for Mauser rifles, i.e. the 6.5X55, 7X57, and 8X57.

The 8x57 was not "originally conceived" for a Mauser rifle, and the 6,5x55 only by 50% [Big Grin] .

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Originally posted by Orion 1:
I was referring to the cartridges originally concieved for Mauser rifles, i.e. the 6.5X55, 7X57, and 8X57.

The 8x57 was not "originally conceived" for a Mauser rifle, and the 6,5x55 only by 50% [Big Grin] .

Carcano

I can't remember the last time you added anything useful to a discussion.
 
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A good friend has a like new Brno ZKK-601 in 243 he is selling (around $475 I think). If interested, email me and I'll put you in touch.
 
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Originally posted by Orion 1:
I was referring to the cartridges originally concieved for Mauser rifles, i.e. the 6.5X55, 7X57, and 8X57.

The 8x57 was not "originally conceived" for a Mauser rifle, and the 6,5x55 only by 50% [Big Grin] .

Carcano

I can't remember the last time you added anything useful to a discussion.
Time for some Aricept as he just corrected your factual innacuracy which, I at least, found useful.

Those redundant cartridges dragged US (and European) military small arms cartridges kicking and screaming from 30-40Krag and 30-30WCF into the 20th century. If they are such a pain in the ass to find how come 7x57 and 9.3x62 seem to be so popular on these boards.

I'll warrant that finding 307 winchester, 358 winchester, 22 jet and a whole host of other US calibres will be harder to find in your local gunshop than 7x57, 6.5x55, 8x57 all of which are made by Federal, Remington and Winchester etc
 
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[Those redundant cartridges dragged US (and European) military small arms cartridges kicking and screaming from 30-40Krag and 30-30WCF into the 20th century. If they are such a pain in the ass to find how come 7x57 and 9.3x62 seem to be so popular on these boards.

I'll warrant that finding 307 winchester, 358 winchester, 22 jet and a whole host of other US calibres will be harder to find in your local gunshop than 7x57, 6.5x55, 8x57 all of which are made by Federal, Remington and Winchester etc

Three points for you:

1. I am not concerned with the history of military small arms at the turn of the 19th century. Your post about the 30WCF and the 20-40 Krag is mostly irrelevant to me. Besides, the 30WCF still accounts for more deer in the US than just about any other cartridge. That English law finds it marginal in some loadings is laughable.

2. The popularity of the 7X57 and
9.3X62 on these boards is a fashion by a small segment of the US shooting and hunting population. I frequent another BB that is heavily populated by side by side gun enthusiats, but we are still a minority among US shotgunners.

3. You make a point of comparing metric cartridge availability in the US against three moribund, obsolete American cartridges. Why don't you make the same comparison against the 270 WCF, 308 WCF, 30-06, and 243 WCF? I bet the metrics don't fare well at all.

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Hi guys,
We decided to get a .223 and a .270, as we all know 2 guns are better than one! I am in europe and the guns will cost more like $700 than $450-500 which they retail for in the US (less competition to drive prices down...)
The gun comes with a single set trigger and an issue of Rifle magazine says the 550 is an accurate and tough gun. I only have experience with the older Brno guns which were really a great deal of gun for v little cash...any major differences in quality/accuracy???
 
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Boghossion,

the cz's are great value probably a little better finished than the older BRNO's. I have three with a fourth cz arriving any day, and I plan to add many more. I love them so much I want to streamline all my collection to CZ's. You will be suprised at how good these rifles are.

Search for Jack Belks critique on them over at Hunt America Website, it could also be on AR I am not sure. Congratulations, the CZ will work out expensive due to the fact you will have to add more to your collection [Smile]
 
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Mr. Boghossion:

I just looked on the CZ USA web site and one their 550 Model in Full Stock version they do have listed a 243 model. It costs a hair more than the other long action calibers, but it is listed.
 
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You may not be interested but it is not irrelevant! The Mauser line of cartridges did for modern centrefire loadings what the Model T did for cars - it gave birth to them as we know them. They may now be redundant in your eyes but seeing as Federal, Winchester, Remington and Hornady still load for them and the dies are on the off the shelf category from Reading and RCBS, others obviously don't think so.

I'm not keen on some aspects of UK fire arms law but it does have the effect of ensuring that a largely suitable calibre is used. 1750ftlbs and 2,400fps in Scotland means that rifles used are less likely to wound through mis estimation of range on the large featureless hills. Remember we're not necessarily talking experts but the sort of person who comes once a year to Scotland to shoot a stag and if the law steers them towards a 308 instead of a 30-30 then that's no bad thing IMHO because one cannot allways guarentee 'in skilled hands'
 
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I'm not keen on some aspects of UK fire arms law but it does have the effect of ensuring that a largely suitable calibre is used. 1750ftlbs and 2,400fps in Scotland means that rifles used are less likely to wound through mis estimation of range on the large featureless hills. Remember we're not necessarily talking experts but the sort of person who comes once a year to Scotland to shoot a stag and if the law steers them towards a 308 instead of a 30-30 then that's no bad thing IMHO because one cannot allways guarentee 'in skilled hands'

Seems Europeans still don't get why Americans refuse to let Government dictate every single aspect of our hunts and firearms possesion and use.
 
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You may not be interested but it is not irrelevant! The Mauser line of cartridges did for modern centrefire loadings what the Model T did for cars - it gave birth to them as we know them. They may now be redundant in your eyes but seeing as Federal, Winchester, Remington and Hornady still load for them and the dies are on the off the shelf category from Reading and RCBS, others obviously don't think so.

Once again, you refuse to admit that in NORTH AMERICA, Mauser metric cartridges are oddities, and will remain so no matter how popular they are on this BB, or even if reloading supplies for them are available.
 
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QUOTE]Seems Europeans still don't get why Americans refuse to let Government dictate every single aspect of our hunts and firearms possesion and use.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Are you telling me that your states don't regulate which firearms you may use, what you may hunt, where you may hunt, when you may hunt, how many you may hunt, what age you may hunt etc.

Whilst I would be the first to admit that our firearms laws are more stringent, to state that Americans refuse to allow their Government to dictate every aspect of their hunt, doesn't make sense to me. Are you talking about State vs Federal?

I don't give a stuff who makes the laws all I know is I have a set of dates to hunt roe bucks (April-Oct) and a set of dates to hunt roe does (Nov-March) beyond that I must use a minimum of a 243, shoot within an hour of dawn/dusk and have permission to shoot on the land - end of story. When I compare that to draws, tags, in state/out of state, non residents mandated to use guides, bow, muzzle loader and firearm (some of which are further subdivided) not within 250yards of houses, not on a Sunday etc etc I don't quite see the validity of your point.

I'll concede that like here Mauser cartridges are generaly unpopular with the rank and file. Perhaps you'll concede that they gave rise to what you (and I) now shoot?
 
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I am curious why anyone really responds to posts from Orion 1. I assume he is a knowledgable hunter, and knows his equipment well.

However what is good for one, may not be what is best for another.
As an American I admit he is very patriotic.
( Just glad he is not from France and that patriotic about France! We all would really be in for it then, listening to the Merit of the Lebul) American and patriotic are a good thing.

However, I don't think anyone likes to argue more over points that really don't have a conclusion except, you have your opinion and I have mine.

Remember folks, It takes TWO to have an argument, not one. Orion, I am really beginning to love what you say, and agree with a lot of it, but take a rest Partner! Most of these guys will survive, if they don't look at things in the same light you do. [Wink] [Roll Eyes] [Cool]

You're a good man.
 
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